Variance in d8 lab results: An analytical review

We know there is variance in d8 lab results but haven’t seen anyone quantify it. So we did. We sent a homogenized sample to 9 accredited 3rd party laboratories. This is 100% an ongoing experiment so if there are recommendations for additional labs please share. If any labs see this and are interested in an intra-lab study that be fun too.

d8 average: 89.8%
d8 standard deviation: 5.94%
d9 average: 2.05%
d9 standard deviation: 2.33%

Variables that might explain variations-

  • Processor sampling technique
  • Experience level of Third-Party Lab personnel
  • Use of stock vs. modified vs. custom Third-Party Lab sample prep and methods
  • Differences in lab certifications, for example, AOAC certified vs non-AOAC certified
  • Use of orthogonal testing (multiple testing methods) vs single testing methods
  • Overall - No enforced standard methods for testing cannabinoids

Conclusions

  • It is fairly easy to get ND-d9
  • d8 results vary significantly
  • The results from @kcalabs were perfectly within the average and standard deviation justifying their crown.
  • Proverde told us not to send any more d8 samples :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

For the sake of transparency, I have uploaded all of the COAs. We are not claiming/stating the material is x% d8/y% d9 so I have not included chromatograms (not all c-grams were shared with us anyway). This post is not about the accuracy of the reported results, its to emphasize the differences in COAs from different labs being released to describe the cannabinoid content of a homogenous sample.

edit: I owe @StableScott a thank you for his integral involvement in this project.

20210125_E100-7125-0114-6_9_ICAL.pdf (147.2 KB) 20210126_E100-7125-011421_ACS.pdf (805.3 KB) 20210125_E100-7125-011421-6_9_NBL.pdf (190.4 KB) 20210126_E100-7125-011421-6_9_374.pdf (146.0 KB) 20210126_E100-7125-011421-6_9_NAL.pdf (3.2 MB) 20210203_E100-7125-011421-6-9_Proverde.pdf (448.0 KB) 20210204_E100-7125-011421-6_9_UD.pdf (113.4 KB) 20210125_E100-7125-011421-6_9_SCLabs.pdf (324.7 KB) 20210126_E100-7125-011421_6_9_KCA.pdf (291.2 KB)

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Speaks volumes lol

ACS, SC labs can’t identify d9 in d8 also appears

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Some labs seem to not see the d9 at all and are not running any additional or confirmatory analysis. Other labs seem to be quantifying off the HPLC only.

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@kcalabs

Looks like 374 was around you guys in potency for d8 but off on potency for d9 by a long shot lol

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Would be interesting to add a time domain to this. Make up a homogenized batch, pull samples into vials with enough for four tests per lab and pop them in a freezer. Send one a month for four months and see what the data looks like. Then you’d have n=4 per lab as well as values as a function of time to examine. But of course, time and money make this difficult…

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That is some great data.
Our lab would definitely be interested in being included in the intra-lab study if you are doing this in the future.

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Definitely. Sending the same sample multiple times to each lab would be interesting as well. We did this with green scientific but samples were taken at a different time so the data was not included in the study

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Thank you for taking the time and expense to do this and share with the community!

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@sidco, is there a tip system that can be implemented for people that go above and beyond like this?

great content

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They tend to come back on the high end for d9. That said they were willing to share the cgrams

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I like 374, before I found kca they were the most accurate lab I found for d9/d8

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Probably because their HPLC is the instrument within their scope of accreditation for cannabinoid potency testing. Not sure how it would rub ISO to know that values are being reported for a method within the scope of accreditation only after being confirmed by a method/instrument that is not within the scope of accreditation.

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Great idea. You’ll be the go-to expert witness when the inevitable high-profile case involving D8 appears, and the defense revolves around testing ambiguities. If the experts can’t get it right (“Right” defined as consistent within a statistically reasonable level of variation, which these pretty clearly aren’t) then how can the government’s single-source testing evidence look persuasive?

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Definitely a serious problem

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They should all be willing to hand over the chromatograph without an argument, and if they are not, you shouldn’t use them.

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You know how it is. Sometimes customers demand a specific laboratory

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Put patreon in thread or on profile?

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@pdxcanna, my venmo is scott-finnance (fish icon)

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bought you lunch or some decent beers, thanks for the info

edit: at least I will when venmo decides to work

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FYI, only D8-THC, D9-THC, CBD and CBN% was included in the data set. If a cannabinoid was not reported on all the COAs the cannabinoid was excluded from the data set.

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