Ive signed NDA so I need to be respectful of that. I do think there technology could be implemented into existing ethonol labs fairly seamlessly. The benefit of adding this tech is a higher yield in theory and producing a nano distillate. That being said what do you feel is the efficiency of extracting with ethonol. What percentage of the cannabinoids in the material do you feel is pulled on average?
Ive signed an NDA so I need to be respectful of that. That being said I feel their tech could be added to an ethonol lab fairlyseamlessly. The benefit of that would in therory would be increased yield while producing a nano distillate.
They are of the opinion ethonol is only 65-70% efficient at capturing cannabinoids.
Would you agree with that, if not how efficient do you feel ethonol is?
How much value do you feel having a nano distillate is?
Thank to all of the feedback so far, much appreciated.
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Whatās that?
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and that
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this is what the wizard says
This ātechā has been trying to be pushed now for 2 years, i feel it was ārevolutionaryā or āindustry changingā it would already be a thing. the fact that no one knows what it is is a good tell that its most likely a marketing ploy
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Makes me think of how mass spectrometry works. Ionizing a sample gives it mobility the presence of an electric field.
He speaks about avoiding chemistry at all and applying some insane number of joules to the biomass in a proprietary energy mechanism. My guess is Atmospheric Pressure Photoionization, aka using UV light and pressurized nitrogen/helium to excite the polar functional groups in cannabinoids in order to manipulate them as charged species. Iād wager the orange color in his CBD distillate is due to a slight number of cannabinoids that have been fragmented during the ionization process and are still present as optically active impurities. Forcing cannabinoids into ionized species is interesting, but how are they filtering it from every other non-polar compound that is suddenly ionized as well. Iāve got lots of questions for this guy.
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This is where I think his knowledge of biochem breaks down. Nano distillate isnāt a thing unless youāre talking about emulsionsā¦ to which this guy says emulsifying makes things larger?? Which doesnāt make any sense. Bad emulsions are basically enormous micelles in solution while good emulsions (nano-emulsion) are micelles that have been sheared down to very small particle sizes to solubilize non-polar molecules in water.
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We were getting not less than 95% with ethanol.
See It washes the cannabis and then it washes the cannabis some more
I also think that ethanol is the wrong solvent to be using, there are at least three others Iād suggest before etoh.
Zero.
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Sure, but if they are doing traditional winterization,LLE,& distillation, none of that is novel and is not covered by their NDA. Assuming you understood those processes when you walked in the door.
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I thought maybe I would learn about salicin extraction, and found this
https://patents.google.com/patent/CN102731587A/en
and then
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167732218365899
lol
Sounds expensive, also vaguely familiar? I remember reading some funny threads back in '18-ā19 on this forum about ultrasonication and its application in solvent-based extractionsā¦Wait, was that mycotopia?? Lotta āresinā adsorbed in this nogginā
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What other solvents would you recommend? I used to run hydrocarbons, mostly butane. Thank you for the feedback btw.
Water
Heptane
Methanol
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His ionization of the cannabinoids due to how he extracts he feels keeps them from clustering, thus reducing there size to a nano particle size. He feels this reduction in size makes it more bio-available. Once its extracted, its being winterized in alcohol, solvent recovery, decarb and wiped film. The end result is a soft distillate the consistency of thick jelly. His thoughts on this are the reduction in particle size makes it more maleable. This distillate is cbd testing 85-92%. In the end it seems the benefits of his tech is greater yield but he is of the opinion current industry is only able to extract 65-75% of available cannabinoids. The other benefit would be what he considers a nano distillate. He also claims that the extraction process is much faster. That being said production is trottled by downstream processes.
Im unfamiliar with water being used as a solvent, outside of bubble hash or some sort of wash. Could you expand on this?
You called this correctly.
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Iāve spent many hundreds of thousands of dollars on basic research, equipment design, and process optimization.
Water allows us to operate with costs that are one or two orders of magnitude lower than anyone else in the industry.
Our operational costs in Canada are lower than Africa, and we are paying our employees quite a bit more than $1/day.
So youāll have to understand when I pass on the invitation to pass out any free spoons.
There are a few threads here on the topic. None of them provide the keys to the kingdom, but there are some useful gems scattered around.
Anyone interested in buying a clue can message me privately with a description of their project, goals, and budget, and I may consider discussing it. Odds are very good that Iāll decline though.
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He has a fundamental misunderstanding of chemistry, and thatās obvious. The malleablility and bioavailability isnāt due to ānanoā particle size. The answer to these results is easily found in a chem 101 text book section for intermolecular forces.
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Ionic liquids are pretty cool
Only 100-200 are known to exist but thousands are theorized to exist. Doubt these are real āionic liquidsā
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Youāve been trying to lead us into the chemistry of those party balloons we swipe with butane without knowing how foreverā¦care to start at the top of this thread (and watch the video) and then share your thoughts on what (in the chem 101, or beyond) might be going on here?
ā¦cause if one has posit magical āformsā of molecules that maintain their form through winterization in ethanol, concentration into a viscous liquid at 50+ %, then molecular distillation, it seems like such magic is really about an intimate (molecular) dance partnerā¦
IF this shit is still different after a āsoloā flight from evaporator to condenser, Iād image there are only so many possibilities for that partner.
Iād also posit that if blowing the walls and vacuoles on every cell to acquire that ādance partnerā is required, it might be pointing pretty explicitly at that partners identityā¦
Na(h)?
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