Oof, the contact email gave me a bounce back from the labs.
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david@thespectrumlabs.com was the email I saw, idk where you got the info one from. Either way it looks like it’s in-house analytics from a white labeling operation, so definitely not worth a shit
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the info@ is on their website so I emailed that. I also emailed davidh@ which is the one on the lab report.
Agreed that the white labeling makes it highly suspect; they aren’t helping matters that their primary contact email bounces.
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Thanks!
D8 THCp and D9 THCp can be made from CBDp, and CBDp can be formed from a condensation reaction of 5-heptyl resorcinol and (-)-Verbenol. In my limited experience, 5-heptyl resorcinol is prohibitively expensive and sourcing enough of it to scale up THCp production is an issue.
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Looks like you found the documents for synthesizing cannabinoids from terpenoids 
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At 0.01% THCP that would be 0.1mg per gram. At 0.01% you would need 10 grams of high quality extract or infused product to reach 1 milligram of THCP with a hypothesized dose of 3mg-5mg (from 30G or 50G of 0.01% product) being similar to 90mg THC if you believe the 30x stronger hypothesis. The big question is how much does one weigh and was this test done on a gummy or extract? I did hear of a guy selling THCP isolate that was reportedly made in a lab derived from a terpene method but you would imagine you would hear more about it around here if legit.
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Have some being made atm using the method you mention.
THCP and CBDP are very nascent of course, THCP we only knew of it as a synthetic cannabinoid up until it was discovered as a phytocannabinoid in some Italian hemp. THCB and CBDB where also discovered in the same plant, but have not enjoyed the same media attention of course, 4 carbons which is unusual. I will have samples of THCB and CBDB after I get the CBND and THCP samples out to folks for research/testing, not trying to get ahead of myself.
Very excited to further assay and study these noids.
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You’d think that but the thing is some of these processes have very serious money behind them so there gets to be a point where people will not talk about their discoveries. Personally, a lot of the big things I’ve found over the years I don’t even want to post in fear of people misusing that information as we are seeing happen with all the unknowns in D8.
If you go on a tangent in Google scholar for a few hours you’ll find all sorts of cannabinoids have been made from terpene alcohols. Search things like “terpenoid” “cannabinoid” “synthesis” and have an academic email on standby to gain access to the private ones. Make sure to use quotations to get more relevant results.
To give you an idea of how much is being done privately, we might all know Delta 8 THC here but there are publications that produced about 20 different variations of delta 8 with varying onsets, durations, and vastly different pharmacological effects and highly selective receptor activity. The source material for some of these conversions is so cheap I am actually concerned for the future of the industry.
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This right here is what we need to be worried about. I can trust all the folks I work with, but cheap conversions/sops that yield psychoactive cannabinoids are low hanging fruit for profiteers. Somehow all these legal noids are going to end up in a gas station, and subsequently laws to ban them. ::deep sadness::
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We already have a recreational market that is becoming increasingly dominated by fruity flavored distillate and fruity flavored gummies made from the cheapest material. We are barely clinging on to real cannabis as it is.
Being able to circumvent the entire cultivation process (and all the jobs that it encompasses) in favor of abundantly produced terpenoids imported from third world countries will be the nail in the coffin. The vast majority of consumers will not care if it’s fake, tastes nothing like cannabis, and unsustainably produced— the price will be lower and that’s pretty much the first thing people look at. It’s not like the average person is getting any wealthier anytime soon. Synthetic is inevitable for the race to the bottom.
I just wished more new users liked the taste of weed. That’s one thing that will always support an incentive to buy natural. That is one of the most disappointing things to me.
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Ooo tell me more! I kind of thought I heard something was going on with the deal.
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So just to update everyone. I’ve pinged the lab multiple times now for the chroma but they haven’t provided it. I’m gonna reach out to the vendor to see if they have it.
The product launched and there’s been a few trip reports on the sub. The vendor appears to also be active on the sub as well.
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I can go one step further. We were sent samples that were made by David. It was claimed to be THCP.
We have multiple mass spectrometers here, HPLCs-DAD, and GCs. We analyzed the material sent and found it to contain large amounts of phenols, p-Cymene, olivetol. Based on the analysis on our Ion Trap Mass Spectrometer, there were no heptyl alkyl compounds. Only abnormal THCs, and CBDs that while would make someone “happy” it also contained a lot of compounds that were toxic or dangerous and likely make someone sick over extended use.
Based on the large volumes of Olivetol, it was clear to me that this Olivetol was being added to create a lot of random THCs. Some had such a large MW of 360 or more that they eluted at the same time as THCP in a “useless” HPLC-DAD test method. This was likely how this material is being sold disguised as THCP.
We have the standard from Cayman but we also synthesized 5-heptylresorcinol in our lab to make our own standards. We are seeing a lot of junk out there and a lot of bad stuff in D8 carts too.
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Jesus christ that just made my brain hurt
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I’m sure lots of folks would love to see what bad stuff is in D8. Please do tell.
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i’d love to know some specifics instead of assuming its toxic sludge
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As soon as I’m back in the lab Thursday night/Friday I’ll be happy to post some mass spec results and spectra. It’s pretty ugly if not purified extensively. Most of the stuff I’m seeing hasn’t even been quenched, washed or extracted properly (referring to THCP but seeing same in low-end D8 junk)
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