one problem i see is that if moisture is frozen and stays frozen then it would create channeling?
So how are you guys getting all the moisture out of your fresh frozen? Donât have any channeling in my runs. All about your material handling and packing. FF vs dry have different packing procedure to avoid channeling. Flow rate with the opaline was great but it didnât do anything. It would probably work much better as a powder. or i got the wrong stuff?
OR it only works when the active sites DONâT have water in themâŚ
the water youâve locked up in your biomass by freezing is an entirely different critter.
not the problem hereâŚ
we are talking about water that is bound to the absorbant. Just like a layer of water on your trichome heads if you thaw then refreeze your fresh frozen biomass blocks access of your solvent to the goodies, I would expect a layer of water blocking the active sites in an absorbant to interfere with itâs ability to absorb.
not a chemist. which is why I refer to this stuff as âmagic dirtâ.
in order for the magic to happen, the wizard claims the water needs gone first. So I have always removed the waterâŚand Iâve seen it work day-in-day-out
we have a single report of âdoesnât workâŚbut I didnât remove the waterâ.
what is the simplest explanation?
confound that with the âgolden ticketâ part of the problem, and Iâm more than willing to say we got no clueâŚ
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I wish my dumb ass took a picture. I canât believe that I didnât
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Iâm tempted to try it tomorrow. If It doesnât work, I can transfer it back through the (normal) media regularly.
I can transfer into the dewax chamber, if it doesnât work. I can remove the material and the kitty litter. Load my crc like normal. Push from my dewax chamber through the material column, also this will equalize the solution so its not so concentrated with cannabinoids in the beginning of the flow. Also, warming it up to pass through the media.
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Speaking of kitty litter, I imagine oil driâs subsidiaries brands of it probably contain the same ratio of golden tickets lol.
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wouldnât that effect happen with B80 then if moisture is in it? and it wouldnât work as well?
Good luck let us know what happens. new media new experiments. Maybe i need longer soak time or more media? just reporting back on my results and what i tried.
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My hunch is it needs to be ground into a finer powder
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Ive used b80 without baking and with baking. Theres not much of a difference. Just seems like baked b80 can pick up slight amount more before being spent.
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@J12 and @cyclopath could it be possible solvent is freezing water and preventing the sites from working. Maybe a warmer run would allow for the silica to work with out having to bake the moisture out?
The way i do my runs the media is in my columns in a freezer before they are run so moisture would be frozen before the run anyways. I donât know why that would work with b80 and not the silica?
we are talking about ice not water
right, it freezes and falls right off.
same way it does when covering your trichomes.
are you sure of that? 'cause Iâm not.
Iâve had enough chemistry to not know.
itâs called an hypothesis.
based on my experience, the opaline silica works when appropriately dried. my best guess for why it did not work for @j12 is that they did not dry it first.
if youâre sure you know why it didnât work, and that it wasnât the water, Iâm cool with that. I donât have to agree with you, and you donât have to dry your magic dirt.
I will repeat that the wizard said the magic dirt MUST BE DRIED to work, AND, currently 100% of the âfailed to workâ were not dried. Does that mean vit e acetate causes vapi? how the fuck would I know?
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It may not freeze the same way b80 does. Or maybe water doesnât bind to the active sites on the b80.
My theory with passing your solution through the media warm/hot would allow for the solution to interact with the silica by the molecules moving faster and pushing its way through the water into the site. That is if water/ice prevents the silica from interacting from forming a barrier
Just because water doesnât affect the outcome of b80 doesnât mean water wonât have an effect on remediation with different clays and silicas
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actually, that is a great point.
we always recirculated out of the recovery pot.
So temps were in the 30C range.
it might be temp not water content.
Edit: nah this doesnât work. First 4 columns through the media were always at -50C or so, and usually did not require re-circulation (see photonâs tome above).
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i Donât think so i always run a little silica with B80 and at -50 -60. It works great i hardly think that slight moisture in the media would completely change the outcome. Iâm thinking media size. Powders or sand seem to filter much better then kitty litter size media.
Iâll dry the media and try that for the next run.
different when ice is in a packed cakeâŚhas no where to fall right off
and yes i am guessing tooâŚbut seems logical to me when talking about it freezijg and hitting with -50 solvent