HEY, THATS RACIST
lol
The MeP30 has a lot of valves and looks like itās great except for the massive failure of the collection vessel size being same size as 1 material column- and they put 3 material columns on the system. Just doesnāt make any sense at all, designed for āhurry up and waitā. Material columns are small too since 4ā is now standard. The chilling coils are too short and there is not enough dwell time to be useful. Then they released an upgrade with the xt70 collection and added a fourth material column (to fill the awkward gap on the rack), so the new collection is still under sized imo. They donāt offer any sight glasses at the bottom of collections which makes it difficult to time the end of your recovery etc. They have quick connects everywhere which leak if solvent is cold, ie if you want to make high end product.
I think they did a lot of things well, early on, but they didnāt keep up with the industry and they donāt offer mini upgrades to make their older systems more useful today. They are great as far as setting up compliant operations with certs and training and all. Plus everything is rated for 100% propane which is a safety bonus. If I wasnt suffocated by a cluster fck of regulations I would change a lot about this mep30 system.
Has anyone used the NB Oler system or seen it in use?
The @IlluminatedExtractor @Zack_illuminated system seems really cool due to lack of chillers that need chillers and break and cost midwestern house money.
It seems to come in at the lowest ticket as well.
What if fast food workers make 9 and diesel mechanics make 20
Whatās an extract technician supposed to make?
In Cali they make $18
What do you pay people?
Prv and c1d1 should stop all catastrophic events. Donāt see a lot of fires or boom booms in licensed labs besides the hemp bois
How much does it cost to only extract 70% of the cannabinoids at 50 lbs a day 22 days a month for a year when trim is $350 a lb and all extract SKUs is over $20?
Cuz unless you want to cut your throughput in half with a Luna and run the same material 2x you are gonna have yield issues.
What part of the 17k in trim are you leaving in the machine?
How many grams of $20 extracts arenāt you getting?
The 80k in labor I wouldnāt save as they have to be there to operate the Luna too and regardless of all āthe other things I can do in the lab when the Luna is runningā I can have even cheaper people fill carts and package grams. I donāt need the tech doing more jobs than his own on a machine that wastes valuable cannabinoids.
People be talking about this machine like some cult. Save the intense sales pitch for the the guy that bought that for you not the guy who wouldnāt even consider it.
Where do you live that you get $20/g for extracts? Around here itās $50/# trim, $3-10 extracts, and $20-30/hr for an experienced tech.
Jesus dude, stick to one account, you are acting crazier than @Lightbulb right now.
Weāre getting far more than 70% extraction efficiency and have since the first run in our luna. I can assure you from all our spent biomass potency results were doing just fine and the luna does as full as an extraction as any other BHO system on the market. the only way to really improve would be a completely different style of extraction like a centrifuge.
I can assure you i wouldnāt be praising this system if it didnt perform well enough to make us profitable. Our costs per gram is probably lower than 98% of the BHO labs in oregon and that simply wouldnt be possible without automation and a Luna on deck.
I dont have the people running the luna packaging grams, they are running analytics, writing SOPās, doing Metrc, post processing, homogenizing batches, and overseeing an automated cart filler all while constantly working together and improving every process we do. My personal role is supporting my people and doing everything in my power to make their jobs easier and more efficient. If something is inefficient we attack it head on and find a better way.
How much does it cost the company you work for to pay a consultant (you) while you ask an online forum what equipment you should buy for every step of the build out? Seems like every day you make a new thread asking us what you should buy your client.
Debateable
Debatable is your MO
100%, because if we have positivity loop echo-chamber, we end up with disasters like this:
Where people promote companies that turn out to be shit, and dish on companies that turn out to be amazing. If I am contrarian with everyone that is provably wrong, those peopleās inevitable downfall bring more relevance to my future claims.
Team work makes the dream work. Likely more important than what system anyone uses is the team they have to operate it. Doesnāt matter which system or how amazing a lab build out is if there arenāt the right people running it.
100%
18$ maybe while there being trained but our bho guys make 50-90k a year. Depends how much overtime they do and if they got their run bonus
With the Luna I felt I needed a 100k a year tech on hand at all times to trouble shoot it. As @thesk8nmidget says inhad one of tbr first lunas and they probably have gotten better.
But just troubleshooting issues with the plc board was something none of my in-house team could do. I had to handle all of that and it became super frustrating. If I didnāt leave that lab due to bad partnership, then I would still be running the Luna.
Curious what they sell for these days new. We paid like 400k with tax for the first one. I would guess itās like 450k or so
You definitely have to tweak out an ets system, we kick ass with ours. But I customized it, removed most qcās and hardlined, got a bigger solvent tank and added an injection coil. But yeah the collection vessel is definitely the bottle neck. We do four runs back to back non stop. Works great. Iāve got it dialed in so I know itās sweet spot on when to collect my oil, with or without sight glass. And I think you can increase through put by buying a bigger collection vessel, and double stack spools for material columns to increase biomass capacity.
Edit: oh yeah and ditch the Haskel pumps.
Couldnt agree more the team is the magic behind every company!
Without a good team you have nothing, thats why i push hard to have a good work life balance for all our guys and we all work 4 days a week with minimal over 40 hour weeks.
@johnbigoilco we paid $365 for our luna a little over a year ago. I believe they are still under 400k with everything included.
They also have a great support team now and can usually trouble shoot any issues remotely with the HMI very quickly. I can say that we have never been down for more than a full day from any hmi/plc issues. its pretty solid overall.
They have done 2 major software upgrades since we got ours which added features and options and i would say 8 or so little soft updates for add ons and changes we suggested or wanted for our specific process. I love the ability to give input or insights and get changes in short time.
Did you get paid for all this R and D or did you do it like all the cheerleading and pom pom waving you do for Jack for free?
Cant imagine spending that ammount of someone elseās money to have to make those kind of improvements. Good thing you have such a competent team to make up for the equipment shortfalls
50k in cali money is 27k in midwest money
$18/hr is 37k
maybe the machine is gonna make him richā¦ word of mouth is a great sale tactic and it seems like luna is trying hard with that modelā¦
cant fault a guy that spends $400k and happy with his purchaseā¦ those are super high expectations to hit
Havent we had this talk before? like every time you bash luna from one of your 15 different accounts? With all the free time you have you must either run a luna or dont have a system at all to run.
The luna was good enough when we first got itā¦ But literally EVERY single system or product on the market in every industry has room to improve in one way or another. Especially as time goes on, look at the phone industry new phones every couple of months
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I will never understand the hate you have towards a company that is willing to listen to their clients ideas and input to provide a better product on the fly at no cost to the client. Iād bet most people that want changes done to their closed loop wishes the manufacturer would listen and act on it.
Updates on the luna is comparable to training a new technique or a slightly different operating SOP on a manual system, the difference with the luna is you change the program once and the system repeats it every time, on a manual system you would have to retrain each tech and hope they can repeat that new change every run. I can assure you a machine is better at repeating new processes than any human.
Everyone on my team LOVES the luna and appreciates not sitting in a booth all day every day. You talk a lot about spending other peoples money while being hired to do a build out spending someones else moneyā¦ its weird how much you project. If you are so against spending other peoples money why arent you starting your own lab without anyone elseās money?
Or is that just the only āattackā you have against me? Iām happy to openly share with the class that i didnāt fund this lab with money but i can also assure you my business partner that did fund it is extremely happy with all the decisions i have made, we have literally taken over the Oregon market and have gotten into over 200 stores in less than a year in one of the most competitive markets in the country.
You are NOT going to be able to do that without good business decisions the whole time and a streamlined lab with a kickass team.