WNC THCP? How real could this be?

We received samples from john@sandstone. We received about 800mg of crude, 800mg of what he calls a final product and lastly, 1 gram of (1 S,4 R)-1-methyl-4-(prop-1-en-2-yl)cycloex-2-enol which he said was consumed in the process and therefore not present in the crude. To be sure everyone is on the same page, we are referring to the THCP synthesis as outlined in this article:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-56785-1/

We started with the crude and injected in our mass spectrometer. We changed our method for further separation.

As you can see, the byproducts are very low compared to the CBDP and THCP after 130 minutes. We determined the byproducts to be identical, but less than what we had in our small synthesis of THCP. It’s obvious there has been a considerable amount of process optimization. As well, 5-heptylbenzene-1,3-diol was present in the crude. There was no olivetol, cbd, cbn, thc, or any other pentyl-chain products in the crude. The yield was above 80%, well beyond the 20+% in the study. There were no toxic compounds or PAHs in the crude so this was synthesized using good lab practices. It is obvious that they have made some changes to the Nature synthesis to yield more THCP. It was a pleasant analysis for a change.

The following picture is a zoom of the CBDP, isomers, and THCP.

The CBDP is at 130.149, about 12%, the THCP is at 133.7 and 136.

The following is a zoom-in of THC-range through THCP. CBD, THC, appear at 121 minutes to 130 minutes. We detected no compounds of CBD, CBN, THC of any delta. We did detect a compound at 126 minutes (very small) but that was a high-boiling compound generally found in the seals of bottles. We ran the spectra to be sure.

Overall, the product side was clean with no solvents, resorcinol, or toxic compounds. There were no THC, CBD, CBN, or Olivetol in the crude so I wouldn’t expect to find it in the final product.

My colleague called John this afternoon to discuss his process. It’s obvious he is in the middle of scaling production and explained “the pain” of scaling it. He described some of the challenges we had, albeit, ours were fewer as we were only making a couple of grams. As this synthesis uses pyrophoric catalysts, high vacuum (less than 3mm) and high temperature to make USP-grade precursors, this further makes the synthesis challenging. Lastly, a temperature-controlled and pressure hydrogenation eliminates most small-scale operations was something he explained and had scaled with their hydrogenation reactors. By the way he spoke, it was obvious the synthesis was a total pain in the ass and he advised he never would have set up for this if it wasn’t for the toxic “crap” you were sending him from a scam. It’s amusing how things work out.

I asked John if he felt if his process optimizations could be applied to D8 and D9 synthesis. He said it would but claimed to have no interest in that market as the products have lower value.

Unfortunately, most of my time on this board will be proving bad products. It was nice to see you have teamed up with a synthesis company capable of this complex synthesis and it’s not a scam. I rarely see that. It’s night and day from the garbage I was receiving from your clients a few months ago.

Good luck and I hope to be posting the analysis of some good and bad D8 products soon.

We prefer to test products we can buy direct from stores so that we know we are testing consumer products. Please advise me of a city and state where your products are available so we can test them and include in our product profiles.

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Thank you. You’re appreciated more than you know.

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Now time for the bad news. My colleagues are finishing up the analysis of other products that are very bad. Mostly D8. We will post this weekend likely.

I am TRYING to find a legal D8 product. Can you think of one we can purchase and test? Most are over 0.3% delta-9

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I gave up on compliant d8 half a year ago. Appreciate everyone’s continued efforts.

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It’s not difficult. You just can’t do it in a one-pot semisynthesis from CBD. A real facility could make it with the right equipment and instruments.

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But for production? I’ve yet to see the worth when you can pump out t41 tek all day.

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True. Delta-8 was always the garbage isomer no one wanted in the 70s lol

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Well, so far you have one legal THCP and we’ve seen some D8 that is quite clean but fails D9. Most of it is junk. We are testing D8 gummies on Friday.

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Doesn’t exist commercially. @lady420 is the contact to ask about compliant d8 at the moment

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what is he hydrogenating, the benzoic acid precursor?

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XD legit thcp? What % did it end up being?

Where do I fly :joy:

Hydrogenation is removing the double bonds in the heptyl chain. When you synthesize 5-heptylbenzene-1,3-diol you must hydrogenate the compound to remove the double bond caused from hexanal and dimethyloxybenzene compound.

We used a Thales H-Cube but that only makes grams over hours. To scale, you must have special hydrogenation reactors capable of 20-200psi hydrogen and heated… with a blast shield in case something goes wrong. It’s only one step in this difficult synthesis.

THCP has been the Holy Grail of weed since 1970 and few have made it.

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It was over 80%. I was only interested in determining if it was real and not a toxic soup. I’ll leave the boring quantitative work to production labs.

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Edit. Nvm. You made it easy enough…

not necessarily, the C-C coupling isn’t limited to a Wittig reaction.

But yeah, the regular, old-fashioned Grignard gives shitty yields!

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Other methods will yield 4-heptylresorcinol which is useless. There are very few ways to couple a compound in position 5:

High pressure and temp, generally limited to low boils like methyl and butyl.
or
Wittig.

otherwise you gte 4-heptyl which is junk.

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Agreed.

The yields in the study were very poor but I believe the authors were only interested in making anything to test… not worried about yields.

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I’ve been wanting to take a look at snapdragon’s products. They were using crude as a starting point originally, the low purity I’ve seen on COAs from generous labs tells me that’s probably still the case

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Crude? Jezzz. it’s hard enough to make something from USP compounds!

I’ll see if we can get some.

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Can you elaborate? Which methods are you talking about?

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