What can a BZB do that another system can’t?
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Boris is a scumbag so y’all can pull his dick out of your mouths. He’s got the wool pulled over your eyes
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Cat mentioned business practices as an important factor when choosing a company to buy equipment from.
It’s a completely valid factor. If you are handing someone low 6 figures it should be to someone you can tolerate.
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I don’t know anything about him personally. I just like the way some of their systems are set up.
Care to detail your experiences with him?
I am actually not sure 18in will be long enough maybe if you cranked up the heat
I am looking for more of partner ship then ordering something
Feel free to shoot me a text/call
541.666.6264
I have 2-18” tube in shells. I can add the other on top
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I love tube and shell passive.
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Hit up @GreenMachine_Consult for an open-jacket shell-in-tube heat exchanger for use with dry ice!!!
And I do love when I can inspire people to upgrade their Tek. Especially when their Tek is their vapor path 
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I saw one of the sickest CLS I’ve ever laid eyes on at the @GreenMachine_Consult headquarters last weekend… not sure how much of it was proprietary so I won’t go into details but maybe they can tell us about it… they build some super dope systems
It was one of those obviously designed “BY extractors FOR extractors” pieces of machinery… looking at the ergonomics you know only an operator/technician would understand how to solve so many issues with commercial units like ETS through logical, functional design
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Literally already done that and working on it with their tek
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My company’s familiar with Boris and I’ve heard nothing but good things. I believe the professional relationship extends over many many years. I’d be very interested in hearing the exact details of your story.
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Privately
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Has Anybody ever used a precision PX40?
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Yes. Standard kettle fed from a series of columns. Similar to the ex40 or BZB40 or the 710snob/amp design.
The design is ok, I personally hate the solvent flow inefficiencies that manifolds create. The fabrication however…
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Gonna come out with that kinda statement and not lay down any evidence or context? Seems legit…
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Really? I thought Precision was made in Detroit? Is it made in USA with Chinese steel? I assumed it was American steel. I’m thinking about getting one of these units. with chillers and pumps it’s close to 250k. What do you guys recommend that can get me the same throughput with ASME stamp and peer review that may be better quality, design, or more affordable ?
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Good question and good follow ups
I have used a lot of shitty equipment. OSS, Xtractor Depot, Precision, etc. I am not a fan of Chinese fake stainless with highly questionable metallurgy. I have seen thread failures, steel deformation, obvious no shits given approach to QC (if it even existed) on pressurized vessels and “plumbing” spools and tri clamp fittings that shouldn’t have gone out the door. I have seen ‘welds’ welded on one side where the interior had literally zero penetration and could not be safely pressurized. Even the polishing compound and sweat left inside threads and fittings from the poor children polishing out the insides and outsides of these cheap tanks is gross. I have picked too many parts of valves out of oil and caught packing and seals in mesh gaskets. Chunks of OSS valves coming out… I’ve had liquid solvent shooting out valve stems on crap 1/4" valves on the PX1. I don’t like any company that specs cheap crappy valves that aren’t properly rated. This was just with the chiller that came with the system.
I’ve used a variety of gear from budget to baller far beyond what I could buy myself. Not a company owner here. If it’s my money I will buy the American stainless solvent tank or collection vessel. I can’t afford to buy cheap shit that breaks. I like buying cheap consumables like gaskets (only if they are quality) filter paper, brass nuts, anything like that, at the best price I can get, cause I’m not buying something I want to last for a decade, gonna throw it away and use a new one. Stainless is an investment and the quality is a safety factor. I make a big deal out of compression threads. yes it is possible to fuck them up if you do it wrong, but it’s a lot harder than NPT threads that literally stretch when tightened.
I like running any type of new system I can try… really want to try running a Beest, and a larger BHOgart system just cause I haven’t yet… but have had the most experience with IF gear, old EX2/4/6’s up through the EX80.
I’ve become biased towards the Iron Fist systems and have gotten to run, modify, and install a few of them now. They are durable and built like a brick shit house with quality American (and occasionally Canadian tubing) 316L stainless steel. Each part on the systems from valves to gaskets to clamps are quality. All compression fitting, Swagelok valves. Superlok fittings if you want to save a few bucks and Swagelok if you want the best. 6" material columns for ease of loading and unloading. Designed for use with material socks, fixed columns. Jacketed or non jacketed, your choice.
Most systems these days are peer reviewed and certified. Fat, nicely bound binder with engineering blueprints of pressure vessels, FEA analysis of all structural components like solvent tank stands and material column racks. Seismic analysis, etc. Their certified tanks are built in actual American ASME shops, U stamp, not just built to ASME specs. Optional non certified systems may have other options available (Can’t say this is the case any more, it was in the past). Systems are built to order and put together by folks who can custom fabricate anything you can design. Base configurations are fairly bare bones but really anything is possible. Compression fittings and modular racks mean changing things up is usually pretty simple, even years down the road, and when modifications get complex (additional column, dewax, CRC racks, auxiliary recovery systems, reactor vessels, honeypot systems) in legal jurisdictions they can bring in an engineer in the design phase to ensure compliance, as well as for a site visit and recertification after your ride’s been pimped. Like other compression larger footprint systems, theyre modular and customizable. The stainless will support whatever type of throughput you desire; largely determined by the ancillary equipment attached to it. Some customers see upwards of 3lbs/min sustained recovery. You can send heat into the collection heating coil, jacket, and bowl, for tons of contact area. Most choose to run active with systems larger than 10lbs, (50lb solvent tank) but some like Extract Academy run them passively.
Personally, I like them set up with an auxiliary recovery system (“B” pot) and heat exchangers on both sides of the solvent tank. If budget allows for a baller solvent tank chiller, both active and passive recovery paths. Haven’t had the chance to, but would love to pair one with a Permacool or other direct refrigeration chiller.
I wouldn’t say things are perfect of course, nothing is. Aside from customer service being hit and miss, a lot of the entry level ancillary equipment is undersized compared to how the machines run with proper heat and cold. These aren’t entry level / turn key systems, they’re industrial grade mid to large scale machines and should be spec’d with appropriate supporting gear.
Good points to consider @Sidco_Cat. IF are built to order, there’s a lead time. They’re famous for missing the mark on delivery estimates. Over the last year, made a big push to move some more things in house, we’ll see how that goes 
I really like your list and modified one or two items it to fit my personal priorities
Were I shopping for equipment, I would prioritize the following:
- Budget
- Quality. As the quality of the equipment determines its
A. Reliability and therefore machine uptime and
B. Longevity which relates to its total ROI. The longer it produces efficiently before requiring major service or replacement due to wear and tear or scale inefficiency, the more money it will make me- Capacity (Daily throughput)
Can this scale up over time? Flexibility and Expandability are important - Also related to Longevity- Features List
Solvent Recovery (Active/Passive, or both?)
is there flexibility to build a space to fit a process at desired scale, or are we forced to compromise and build a process to fit a desired space?
Component construction (Quality valves and fittings, material of equipment, craftsmanship of construction)
Equipment Functionality. Is this equipment designed to do one particular thing one way, or can it be used in multiple different ways?
Compliance Status and Documentation
Price, lead-time and availability on specific consumable supply for sock filters, replacement parts etc.- Customer Service
Standard Parts available anywhere, or are manufacturer specific items going to add cost and potential machine downtime if unavailable?- More Esoteric Criteria
Business Practices
Longevity outlook-will they be in business for 5 years?
Overall Vibe of the Company
Country of Origin
Dog-friendly office- Lead time of least importance, provided proper planning and preparation
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How was the maiden voyage? That 2” is too dope
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