The hemp-tards are really reaching around lately

We all know how hemp guys can be but snitching in public? Cmon man

Have you been able to find a catalyst other than TIBA to utilize for CBD to D9? I’ve had some success with greener catalysts, but a substantial amount of D8 is created in the process. I can get to 65:15 all day, but have been hesitant to explore more ‘exclusive’ catalysts.

Before anyone asks ‘what’s the other 20%?’, it’s a loaded question dictated by the solvent system as well as the choice of catalyst. Protic solvents, for example, will produce more polar hydroxylated compounds, while iso-THC’s are abundant in nonpolar solvents.

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I posted a paper that used boron trifluoride ethanoate as a catalyst in flow reactors. Boron trifluoride is just by itself too.

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It’s the etherate, Et2O•BF3

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Sorry, shouldnt be doing stuff from memory lol

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I think what’s important is the combination of mol% catalyst, solvent, and temperature used in the cyclization. And reaction time, of course.

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Ion exchange is really the future

There isn’t a resin I’ve found for d9, I’ve mainly been looking for this as a way to make d8 easier and inline with my membranes

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Support bound reagents in general.

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We have some gummies about to go to market. Legal said we should use the term “legal limit gummies”, we are redistilling ML and getting some pretty good ratios. Our last batch was 10mg THC, 125mg CBD, 4mg CBG, 8mg CBC, 1mg CBN, 1mg CBDV. Reviews have been very positive on their overall effectiveness. What is very interesting is our third party lab contacted us stating they had some new minor standards. They re-ran our gummy and found 0.96% THC-o-acetate per gummy. Our gummies weigh about 4.3grams, so around 41.28mg per dose. Trying to review how that is possible but definitely fits the reviews we have received.

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The whole entourage.

Its surprisingly common

Why can’t people just smoke D9 and dab D9? This new cannabinoid crap is an excuse for people to find new ways to get high, how I see it is people know the dangers of crack and meth and heroin, so they know not to do it. With these, they dunno anything about it so lord knows the dangers and its an alternative to D9, as back then people who said “weed ain’t cutting it no more I need something stronger” those people turned into the tweakers… now the people with that kind of mentality are buying isomers and other cannabinoid chemical stuff instead of D9 as its going to get them higher compared to D9. What happens when they get sick of these new cannabinoids??

TLDR: instead of people who “want something stronger” using harder drugs, they’re going onto research chemicals or cannabinoid isomers and other random chemical concoction cannabinoids.

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Equal to crack ? Lmao do you have any idea how much stuff you consume or use daily that’s made via chemical synthesis ?

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I’m not familiar with acetate forms of cannabinoids, but I’m guessing that any cannabinoid acetate is not going to distill easily, or at least without noticeable thermal degradation. I also know that acetate forms are prone to oxidation, and would guess water degradation.

Even if I’m wrong with all of the above, if you didn’t add THC-O, and they say you had 41mg, then they either bought some very bad standards, they mishandled the standards so they degraded, or they misidentified a peak on the chromatograph.

If they didn’t do any of that and it’s on your end, I ask politely as a scientist: how in fuck did you do that? One does not just happen upon acetic anhydride randomly in some distillate or plant material. I’m guessing and hope some labels got swapped and this was a production error.

Not literally equal no

As in terms to the alternative… people who say “weed isnt cutting it” will move onto new things, such as crack, at least 30+ Years ago.

Not saying its all in chemically related to crack no

In terms of replacements yes, people moved onto sketchier chemicals to ingest as crack is bad and D9 isn’t getting them high anymore

It isn’t bending the law, it is actually following the law, to a T. Why hate someone for figuring out how to sell a product that wasn’t legal before? Some people are late to the game, but it doesn’t mean they can’t contribute. Evolve with the system or get out of the way.

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Well hold up:
#1 you can distill THC-o-ac, it’s not being distilled wet so you’re not going to get insane amounts of hydrolysis
#2 he said ML so there are plenty of natural esters that could have reacted to produce trace thc-o-ac, though I’m leaning toward a cannabinoid that elutes at the same time as their standard since this would be a difficult reaction in the absence of “reaction conditions”

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:100:

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I missed the ML part, didn’t think mother liquor. That could contribute some, but not the quantities listed. But at the same rate, the mother liquor of what purification could contribute that? The only one I would guess is if THC-o was recrystallized

Edit: Though I should derail myself as it’s unlikely the case to come from mother liquor; my first guess would also be co-elution, I just wanted to be exhaustive.

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Agreed, unlikely but in some way possible. Remember ML is nearly half plant stuffs/unknowns.

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LL Gummies 10mg THC- 150mg CBD (WM).pdf (1.1 MB)

Here is the COA we received. I have the same thoughts as you all; I have also talked with Kaycha to gather more details on their testing and use of standards and they are very confident these results are accurate. So now I’m diving into how this is possible.
We ran the ML through our wiper and noticed it wasn’t cleaning up properly, the material was re-ran several more times then we started looking at the wiper itself. The issue was our residue arm was clogged with what appeared to be sugars, so we completed a cleaning of the system. We took the semi-distilled ML and used a saline wash and re-distilled with no problems. Third party is going to re-look at the distillate and see if THC-o shows up. Rough numbers based on the gummy potency looks like the ML should show around 16% THC-o so we shall see.
If the ML does not show any THC-o than could this be from an ingredient in our gummy recipe? Citric acid? Highly doubtful but exploring all options.