Are you just using the collection vessel jacket as your evaporator with a refrigerant and then your solvent tank jacket as your Condenser? You say patent pending so I assume you won’t share anything until the patent is in full swing. That be awesome if you could share how you system works
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What if someone made an insert rig for one of these 
And you bleed it off slowly until your jacket is frozen
Ahahahahaha like a propane regulator for c02 cartridges to be bled off
You’d need… a lot of those, I suspect.
Why not just get a co2 tank and flip it upside down?
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because I thought posting that was comedy gold
I have a really crazy idea maybe I’m high af
What if someone had their jackets thick enough to handle propane and nitrogen.
What if you injected propane as a vapor into the jackets of your cls[hose would be on a quick disconnect] and then have a dump valve set-up to use the pressure the propane already has to return it through the jackets until you’re done with injection.
Then once you’re done you open the dump valve to a manifold that dumps all the propane to the jacket of your recovery tank which has had a pre applied vaccum to it.
Then what if you had a venturi vacuum pump clear the extraction units jackets and you start warm water recovery.
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seriously I think Blowoff valve - Wikipedia
Implemented correctly along with gauges and other safty implementations I really think that propane could be recirculated through a jacketed cls and then dumped into a recovery tanks jacket. I think that propane has been seriously overlooked when it comes to cooling a jacket. Again though, this is crucial to remember, that every jacketed material column and tank has to be rated for the use of propane inside the column and tank and the wall thick enough for the outer jacket. anything else would be a bomb.
I just wish I didn’t think about this propane for jacket thing every now and then. cause I’m so certain of it that there’s a way that it can work and be safe at the same time as being self reliant and not needing to disperse anything to the atmosphere… besides making an actual chiller that uses propane.
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@cyclopath I kinda need you to tell me it won’t work and that I’m a dumbass and that I should move this thread to the ec.
Would having an injection coil modified for propane use be a good idea to place them in certain areas too?
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put liquid propane in your jacket and pull on it with a recovery pump. use an adjustable prv or needle valve for your metering device to blow more liquid from your heat rejected recovery pump outlet into your jacket again to close the loop.
edit: an air cooled cmep actually does well as a “chiller”
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Nope. Nor am I going to try and correct you. Mainly because I can’t quite tell what you’re missing…I’m having a hard time following.
You’ve definitely got part of the concept.
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I’m pretty sure that how illuminated extractors does it. Zack lentz is a genius but I swear from what I under stand is it works by injecting propane into the jacket of a column and using a recovery pump to recover it into a vessel that serves as a condenser where the heat would basically be held. Then the vessel would inject back into the bottom of the material column jacket threw a orifice or anything that will maintain a high/low side completing the loop. A basic refrigeration cycle but just with the jacket as your evaporator and a vessel as your condenser. Im not sure it even need to be recurculating because there is not much heat load beside fight ambient Temps. The solvent your using to extract will already be cold. Could be just a fill and recover type deal but I’m betting it’s recirculating and works like a mini split heat pump and reverse it direction and the condenser and evaporator would switch and you could also heat the columns.
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Close, except you run into a bit of a problem when you try to get colder than -40c or as your heat load increases.
Our tech solves this issue. It also provides a means to produce excess heat on demand. The colder the system gets, the less power it uses and the more enthalpy it can absorb. We figured out a way to pretty much get rid of the adiabatic decompression upon injection so you are always starting with at or near 100% liquid, no matter how cold the system becomes.
So far the coldest I have gotten with just propane is -106c with a goal of -150c. Only 44 degrees away from single stage cryogenics!
U.S. Patent Pending!
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Exactly what @Soxhlet and I went over when I asked him what he thought of the idea. He ended up coming around to the same answer you have.
The only difference between what you said and what my idea would be is I think it would be neat if the propane from the jackets could be moved to a hot water heater that’s powered by propane to be able to be used to move the hot water around for recovery after you use the propane as a chilling fluid.
Are you using a jacketed injection coil and injecting propane into the jacket of the injection coil? Perhaps this could be the answer?
Seems like another form of coils might be helpful.
-stupid question I misunderstood
Don’t you have a chiller skid you make too. I heard about it and thought that was awesome. Yeah that extra heat on a Hx could be useful. So you can also heat the system and recover with the propane too right. So it heats and also chills? Is this a separate loop from the main extractor? It’s very interesting. You really think outside the box. I’d love to know more. I wish I could have made it to a demo
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Yeah it’s both a heating and refrigeration system. I’ve basically turned the most energy consuming aspect into a net-zero function.
This goes hand in hand with our now patented extraction process. They work together to maximize system efficiency.
The thermal control (utility) system is isolated from the extraction (process) system. That way you can run whatever blend you want for extraction while the thermal control runs on propane.
We are working on putting together another demo here hopefully in April. Would love to have you out!
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I would love to see it in action, I’m intrigued.
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So is there a heat exchanger on the high and low side of your utility skid. One for heat and one for cooling that uses a glycol or simular solution to connect it to your existing rig. You do make a skid that does heating and cooling right that you can hook up to any extractor? How many btu on the heat and cooling side does it offer? We are very interested in purchasing one from ya. I been telling out investors at work about everything you guys are doing. Only 44 degrees away from true single stage cryogenics. Amazing really.
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Our system replaced the extraction columns and basin with rated columns for the pressure and doesn’t use a heat transfer fluid. Instead it is direct refrigeration and heat where needed.
We just released the Mobile Refrigeration Platform (MRP-30) as an upgrade to existing systems. It can be arranged with one or multiple extraction columns. Covers both heating and cooling of the system and gets rid of the hot water heater.
The energy savings are insane!
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