OKay maybe i make a mistake and misundertood the media
From the NYT article cited in your Leafly post:
Health officials in New York State said on Thursday that they are investigating a possible cause of a recent surge in severe vaping-related illnesses: a compound called vitamin E acetate.
The state Department of Health said in a news release that “very high levels” of the compound had been found in 13 samples from eight of 34 patients who have gotten ill in New York. The samples were analyzed as part of an investigation by the Wadsworth Center, a state laboratory.
This finding by no means ends the search for what is causing the illnesses, particularly given that vitamin E acetate has not been confirmed as a factor in the majority of cases in which patients have gotten sick in New York.
With the whispers I am hearing in my circles - i’m convinced its big tobacco. For the past 5 years Phillip Morris has been buying all the tomato farmers in the South East.
Doesn’t take much money and a lil spice to cause a few deaths, then some chaos and lobby for regulation in your favor - playing off individual fears. These are the games they have always played.
I’m more inclined to think people are just stupid based on this.
Big money doesn’t just throw big money around. Do you remember those “say no to tobacco” commercials and non profit that was huge back in the day?
Guess who funded those? Big Tobacco baby.
So what better way than to be a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Well yeah, they kinda had to do that to protect what little image they had. Seems like trying to pull the cornerstone out of your recent multi-million dollar investment would just be all around bad investment practices…
I don’t know anything though, haha.
That article you posted says their purpose was to try and tilt the conversation from banning tobacco to banning cigarettes in favor of e-cig. If they’re also trying to ban e-cigs that seems highly counterproductive to say the least.
Hi Magchemist, it’s been awhile. I hope you are good!
You are right!
However, trump backed down about three days about all “e-cigs”. They will ban mainly flavors most likely. This will only allow for transition to be smoother. Flavors don’t matter though, have you ever tasted a cigarette 
Yuck! and it’s still a multibillion dollar business.
I’m just crazy and stupid! haha.
I agree it does seem orchestrated how the whole media with one voice is taking a lesson from this that doesn’t seem to to be relevant to the stories (ban legal flavored ecigs). Whether tobacco is the one that is doing it is what I’m unsure of.
Could it simply be that regularly vaping oil into your lungs is not that great of an idea? Some of these kids are vaping in pretty large quantities…
I doubt it’s oil alone… I have to admit the whole situation seems a bit weird. Been watching this situation closely up here in Canada as we haven’t had any cases reported yet. It’s interesting to see them put all the blame on e-cigarette manufacturers though. There’s a lot of convoluted info out there… vit e, save or no? Looking forward to a bit of regulation when concentrates become legal/regulated here on Oct 17th! Probably have to wait awhile though…
My reading of available data suggests we are looking at more than a single cause. The CDC seemed to be looking at three different presentations, it’s possible that a single agent might present that way, but given no single agent has jumped out, my guess would be that we’re looking at a couple of different causal agents.
My alternate hypothesis would be genetics…
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Severe Pulmonary Disease Associated with Electronic-Cigarette–Product Use — Interim Guidance | MMWR
Among the 53 cases from Illinois and Wisconsin, however, the pathologic findings were heterogeneous.
Of the people getting sick?
I’ve spent a lot of time wondering if certain people don’t have some sort of allergy or predisposition for being susceptible to the illness, as opposed to any specific component being the cause.
Yep. Just like fava beans…
https://www.hematology.org/Thehematologist/Diffusion/8304.aspx
That hypothesis helps with the low numbers (given the huge number of folks huffing fuck knows what).
That doesn’t explain the sudden onset of acute symptoms
One question never brought up in the media is, vaping has been around for several years now so why all of the sudden is there this health issue that seems to affect both the nicotine and cannabis markets? If it were something intrinsic to vaping why did it take so long to manifest itself?
Also many of the people affected are young enough where they most likely weren’t vaping for that long, which makes what we are seeing now seem like it’s a new adulterant causing the issues. We don’t know what the issue really is, but that’s my observation at least.
Info on the tomato farmer acquisitions? I don’t doubt it but Philip Morris doesn’t usually cultivate. However I guess anything’s possible if they’re potentially merging with Altria.
And (from what I know) the only FDA approved vaping device, scheduled to begin sales in the US any day now: Heated tobacco products | PMI - Philip Morris International
The FDA already had the incoming law that in 2021/22 any vape flavor that was created after 08/08/2016 would be illegal, obviously vastly increasing the barrier to entry. But this was just a great coincidence for them to shift the goalposts and take over the nicotine vaping industry.