We just need to believe guys. Like, really believe.
^^^this is both serious, and goofy.
I know I believe there’s variance.
If you have ever smoked jager flower or extract it is a hindu kush pheno that is very indica dominant one of the true 7 week strains . I was smoking this years ago as it was Oregon’s most popular outdoor strain . It has always been one of my favorite before bed strains. Its known for high yield and easy growing but not the highest thc . For me it has stonger effects than some higher thc strains because the high was very sedative and narcotic like .
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I agree but don’t . Most of the strains being sold are hybrids. But there is definitely a difference ! Get some purple elephant (indica) very heavy stone even from a couple tokes. Durban poison is sativa
Is energetic and focused . Sativas grow near the equator and always have 12/12 light so are able to flower for 16 weeks and have thin leaves energetic uplifting happy high. Indica come from mountainous strains which have very short window to flower so they get it done in 6 weeks usually. Indica has wide fat blades for leaves. Pick indica early while trichromatic are all clear and it will have a sativa high. Let sativa go 2 weeks past prime and you have sleep meds
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I think the terms are a bit outdated as almost everything is hybridized, but still useful for budtenders to help convey general effects to your average medical patient. At the end of the day, I’ve had Sativa dominate bud that put me on the couch and indica heavy hybrids that seemed to perk me up. Varies person to person and terps can play a significant role. So the same ratio of 60% indica 40% sativa in two different hybrids which have different terpene makeups can hit two completely different ways.
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now my budtender career is over before it began. I cant tell them about indica and sativa?
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Hit a bowl of high CBG and then come back to us on that.
Can someone explain that to me though?
Different ratios of nutritional divalent cations, fe, mg, ca, mn, can influence terpene and cannabinoid (diterpenoid) production. For example fe will favor cbd and mn will favor thc. This isn’t a strong enough influence to force a a cbd plant to produce a bunch thc or vice versa, but changing micronutrient ratios will change terpene and cannabinoid profiles. It is possible that cultivators are unintentionally altering profiles by their fertilizer choices. Ive seen enough data to draw the conclusion that phenotypical expression is almost as important as the genotype to produce specific effects.
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Very good point in wine you see the same thing the concept of terroir where the environment the plant is grown has an effect on the wine’s flavor.
Think there is likely a bit of this going on in cannabis to an extent too.
First google gave me this Abstract: CANNABIS TERROIR: WHERE IS THE GRASS GREENER? (GSA Annual Meeting in Seattle, Washington, USA - 2017) makes me wonder if anyones done any data dumps of clones done under various environments.
A 2015 study found terpenes effected in grapes by simple geomophology during a study of terroir.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.889.6190&rep=rep1&type=pdf
With the large role environment plays in Cannabis I’d wager there is likely a bit of the “hybrid” ness just from geomorphology adding to the effect. A sativa not grown in a sativa environment subtely showing more indica traits.
I tend to lean towards the majority being bastards hybrids myself with few true sativas and indicas remaining, but open to seeing some science settle this once and for all 
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Research findings are not nullified simply by the existence of newer research. Hillig et al conducted a genetic, morphological, and chemotaxonomic analyses. Populations from each accession were surveyed for allozyme variation at 17 gene loci. The allozyme allele frequencies observed within the groups of 157 different cannabis accessions reflected a three-species gene pool. That type of data isn’t simply discarded or invalidated just because newer studies with different study designs exist. Hillig’s findings have never been disproven to my knowledge. The smaller subset of accessions that Hillig analyzed doesn’t represent inconclusive and/or erroneous findings. They didn’t need a larger population, as was evidenced by their findings. And how exactly does Phylos’s sheer volume of entries represent superiority, when the study designs and methodologies are not even comparable?
In addition to the chemotaxonomic data/conclusions of Hillig/Mahlberg 2005 and Clarke/Merlin 2013, consider what the term species means and where it fits into taxonomic ranking.
The genus itself is the biological classification which taxonomically ranks between family and species. Within the context of binomial nomenclature, the term species constitutes “a group” of organisms within the same genus which are separated by geographical barriers and/or reproductive barriers. Anything ranking below species is classified as infraspecific. The infraspecific classification of Cannabis denotes variation within a subdivision of it’s species and includes; biotype, variety, cultivar, chemovar, landrace, form, ect.
Taken together, the notion of a single species holds no degree of validity from my perspective. Sativa, Indica and Ruderalis are the monophyletic taxon which descended from the genus Cannabis and they are still being propagated today.
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As has been said, amber terps are degrading, thc>cbn
So it produces more of a couch lock
It doesn’t mean the cannabis is older though, as some people veg for 6 months and some people veg for 8 days, it’s the maturity of the flower.
Terps also increase or maybe change ratios(???) Based on the sun(angle and hours) temperature drops, etc and how close to peak potency it is
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Don’t tell Ace… I love his sativas lol
But I truly can tell the difference between my Gibson and Fender!
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Agreed, I believe this is why people prone to anxiety find high THC strains and dabs “panic attack” inducing. Also, older people who smoked in the 70’s and 60’s but stopped after the 80’s because suddenly weed was giving them anxiety. Could this be from the introduction of Indica land race and that entirely new terpene profile
My life partner suffers as such and I’ve been searching for a well balanced strain, potentially with even split CBD/THC content, and a low mercene(?) content. But that could be a wild goose chase at this point, given the generally accepted theory that all the stains are basically the same at this point, just some traits expressing over others.
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17 genetic loci analyzed vs DNA sequencing (ie, 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of genetic loci analyzed). This a very large difference in variable character states. Information density is important.
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Also there’s the whole epi-genetic thing going on cause it’s a lifeform, so environmental conditions must influence overall profile as well. Maybe this is part of why indoor is so much more potent, the plants are having a greater effect on each other through proximity and reduced air exchange.
So outdoors I always cultivate very fragrant wildflowers around my plants to make them compete for pollinators by producing more of the stuff we want. I always have “oily” outdoor, very terpy. Obviously, there are nearly infinite iterations of environmental stressors so this is just a giant thought experiment.
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Two things I can say with certainty, (1) we don’t understand entourage yet and (2) indica and sativa are wholly inadequate to describe cannabis intoxication for a given cultivar in any meaningful way.
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β‐caryophyllene is an agonist of the CB2 receptor. So while not psychoactive, no CB1 activity, one could claim this provides the entourage effect. And this is just one terp
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Beta-caryophyllene acquires an extremely low affinity for CB2 and a non-functional affinity in vivo with the copresence of THC (and likely THCP) due to the significantly higher binding affinity of THC for CB2. Nonetheless, it’s entirely possible that some terpenes [may] elicit an effect at other downstream receptors (e.g. 5-HT/DA/TRPV), but not at the primary receptor for psychotropic activity.
One could claim so, but it would be in the absence of any peer-reviewed scientific merit.
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