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Incredible, just incredible. It brings up so many more theories and questions for me. Especially when it comes to applying that concept to autism.
“Networks that are constructed through overabundance and then pruning are much more robust and efficient than networks that are constructed through other means,” Barth says. “Evolution has selected for [these] properties of network construction,” a process she calls “incredibly beautiful.”
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Just glad I did good 
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Also, add this understanding with this classic experiment, and you can draw some astonishing conclusions.Rat Park laid the foundations of the extrinsic principles of synaptic pruning
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hell yes this is my point
addiction is not the sickness of having drugs to the point of chemical
change thats withdrawal syndrome or what ever the docs call it.
it is the seeking of escape from suffering too the point
it becomes destructive to ones life.
a bad day and a drink or bong at the end of it is not addiction.
it is when you try to stop and you find that you can not deal
with life as it is so you just go back to the self abuse
what ever it is.
this knowledge is totally empowering as it allows you now at this point
to see the door.
you know what the problem is and often its not the addiction
its the cause of the addiction and until the addict finds this
cause they will never recover.
the idea that an addict is always in recovery that 12 steps
has is criminal in my mind.
no addict has too be an addict.
they need love and understanding and help to fix what is
causing them so much suffering.
and then as I did they need to take a concrete pill and hard
the fuck up and get through the withdrawal and start to remap
there abused minds.
I am glad you see this mr Goo.
as I said it is truly empowering as it is the path to enlightenment.
most of life if you look at it this way is being wasted my 99.99%
of life.
how many just turn off in one way or another to deal with stress ?
why are we stressed, it is what it is.
focus and direction.
if you have these two in abundance there is nothing that any of us
can not do.
still we are fish in the bowl and it is very hard to let go of the
physical.
this world is a very beautiful place and there are so many
wonderful people on it.
I honestly think we are all made of the same thing that was once
a whole piece but due to its own sufferance its self destruction
caused everything we know.
with this thought in mind I think our purpose here is to reconnect
this ancient and magical creature by connecting between
our selves and we must heal its wounds by healing our own.
as a race we could fix any of the problems here on earth
and with in no time have other planets seeded and populated.
but our own addictions to the physical plane of existence
has us fighting each other over greed and the needs of
our shallow lives.
think about it your miserable what do you want to do.
you wish to tell someone about this.
its the sharing or recombining of what was once whole that
we crave so much and all of our daily wants are driving us
further from it.
one of the big difference between a taoist and a buddhist is that
a taoist wishes imortality and connection with all living things.
a buddhist wishes only escape from life and pain.
pain is what made us all be it the belief I have or the pain
your mother went through when you were born.
it is to be embraced as a part of our education and as a reason
for self and social betterment.
with this in mind I can honestly say I love you all.
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and these studies into the formation of the mind due to external
stimuli effecting the chemistry and then neural linkages is
also why smacking children is starting to be frowned upon
through out the western world.
for at those formative ages it is even more important that they
are given love and understanding so they can form a healthy
a hopefully to some extent addiction free mind and sense of
self.
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If you don’t want your children to be like you, treat them with the same care, understanding, and respect, you KNOW, you needed.
People dismiss the power of emotion, and feeling, and we struggle to come to grips with it, and we don’t cherish the weight of how people LITERALLY tell us they hurt, anxiety, stress, pain, we can barely comprehend our surroundings and this loud, bright world we were all hap hazardly thrown into, let alone the repercussions from literally having to come to grips with attempting to comprehend it with our lump of fat between our ears. It’s a beautiful, wonderful thing, when it is, this thought pattern that we discuss… also means, that when someone is in that state, it was their RATIONAL decision, it was logical, versus trying to connect, reach out, basic human needs, that led them to reach, it really hurt that much… Its what makes death a release, and such a tragedy, some of the best, most talented, strongest people I have ever met, couldn’t survive their own minds, and the hardest thing, is their pain, was logical… their reaction, felt LOGICAL…
I think it’s important to try to look through the mind with as many lenses as possible, drugs provide an easy short cut avenue to do so, but there’s not truth to substance, it just “is” and “does” once again we try to quantize the experience, feeling, and sensation, but we humans are genuinely bad at communicating, we aren’t cells, it isn’t chemical signaling we communicate with, we use words, which, I mean, let’s be real, we are human, we do be bad at communicating though AND, the world isn’t fair sometimes, it takes time and wisdom to learn how to manage and respond to it, coming of age as a human is weird as all hell too, this one topic only lightly brushes the developing brain, this is one, singular facet, a snap shot of the immensity of the complexity and machinations of the mind, you can NOT overlook the human portion of it.
We all like to think we have it together, we don’t, we are fragile, sensitive, outlandish machinations of the universe, it doesn’t take much to impress upon us things that could wildly derail our lives.
We just like to act tough and play games <---- arguably the problem.
But there’s tough love too, sometimes we need to be sat down, but I think etiquette is integral. There a fine line between reacting on YOUR emotion, and reacting.
You can be strong and still a gentleman FFS, I hate seeing people play the games of trying to eat each other alive… there’s enough world, it’s big enough, people don’t know how to let go, accept, move on, and LEARN, take your time, learning hurts, and will probably drive you nuts, and there is always a lesson your missing, everyone has blind spots, the mind is so powerful it fools us into thing we “know” or “get it”, but how many are perpetually hurting themselves, and even worse inflicting upon themselves more pain, simply due to not knowing better… (guilty asf here, cause, ya know, human)
90,000 opiod deaths in 2020, guys, we are losing the war with ourselves, suicide is up, school shootings were rampant. It’s a sign that our environment, our culture, our society has illnesses we either #1 fail to identify, or #2 haven’t come to terms with, and just like our addictions… We don’t know why we hurt, so we play blame games, rather than honestly face the fact, and honest truth, that life, the way we are forced to live it, and by nature it’s self, is painful, our parents didn’t have a grip either, and neither did theirs, it just is, and you are meant to make what of it you can, but with the full comprehension, that your needs are human, you can’t do it all, you know nothing, and you MUST learn, experience, and move on! Not escape, not run, understand, the human you are, that gives you wisdom that guides you through the world, and will be your greatest tool against that obstinate lump of fat, that ultimately drives us nuts, and a world that feels so unnatural and is generally, really damn weird, but there’s many roles to fill, a whole damn world out there, we get lost in the maze trying to come to grips with it that we forget, yeah, it hurts, but the solution is out there too.
The solution is out there too… all the tools, any idea you pick, you have to make all these choices, so fast, and it takes something from us, but it takes a lot to take on the challenge of living. Death is certain, and comforting, life, and the experience, is finite, and I’ll tell you right now the most difficult task I ever took on, was choosing to live man… I’m scared for my passage in life, I don’t know what to expect… my experience has been such a wide wavelength, I’m just thankful to be here, and I try to change, as incremental and drastic as I understand I need to, I know I need to adapt <---- a human trait that you must implement to survive…
And agreed, I love the conversations here too, and the community as we come to grips with this topic we are discussing, turns out nerds are cool to hang with, and with the power of our minds, we may be able to pave a brighter future (see what I did there) for not just ourselves, but those that come after us as well.
One love you over emotional, hormonal, beautiful apes, glad I could inspire such a neat, both scientific, and philosophical conversation, as our own personal philosophics play out, in this strange subject us brave, daring to try to live animals we are. Together with a bit of help, and some sound wisdom and intuition, we shall learn, not just of what we do, but of ourselves along the way. <----(If you give up on this, you might as well be dead.)
Hope this tangent helps for whatever it’s worth, if I was lucky I impressed upon some new concepts. As I have come to grips with sooooo many by the incredible wisdom the movers and shakers here drop.
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I personally think school shootings always get exasperated by the media. The moment it gets reported is the moment someone else goes “I wanna.” it’s like the whole when one person frowns somewhere another person is smiling, there’s a baby born every so many seconds and there’s someone dying every so many seconds.
I like how Don Hertzfeldt put it in the movie “It’s Such a Beautiful Day”, That we’re all constantly in a state of perpetual death and that our human cells are constantly breaking down and rebuilding making different versions of ourselves.
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Me and you can hang, I just watched Don Hertzfeldts the meaning of life… I admittedly kicked back and tried to air out some mental laundry tonight (probably explains me opening up on here)
If you like that, check out a short skit 2ampm it’s from the guy who made Regular Show, it’s what got him the contract for cartoon network.
Now before we go off topic on other ways we like to stimulate ourselves. 
Edited edit, you bet your sweet ass I have, I loved Don Hertzfeldt, ever since rejected cartoons. I will not bump this for cartoons, we are adults. 
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Did you watch World of Tomorrow? You should if you haven’t
Edit: yes let’s stay on topic 
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Everything gets exacerbated by our society btw, we are reactionary, not pro active, we choose abstinence and ignorance as our principles before we react. Our society is indicative of unhealthy parts of human nature, our society, is basically, a functioning addict right now… the people that just understand the worst parts are the unfortunate souls, takes a lot to get help, it takes understanding to be understood, and well, if “god” or the “universe” were to describe humans it would be “not well all the time”.
(On a side note, I talked with a military psyche once, our conversations regarded school shooters, our conclusion we drew, there are a number of tragedies that take place long before that person picks up a gun, a whole list of communal failures…)
But as far as iboga, it is another fascinating substance, any replacement therapy is risky to a certain extent, if someone associates being “well” with anything extrinsic, it can be an unhealthy correlation…
Drugs don’t give you wisdom and understanding, that’s on the individual, they are an experience, like skydiving, or going fast or going to that one “nice” place. It’s usually the preparations and “the journey” so to speak, where the real learning takes place.
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@cdt it’s good to have you here. Cannabis concentrates saved my wife/best friend, and gave the heart of our family back to us. Smoking dabs for distraction and taking tincture at high doses to “couch lock” through the withdrawal. Plus several hard psychedelic sessions. A few $k and lots of love and support. We were lucky to have access to some of these substances.
Before the pandemic, the medical industrial complex was lobbying for $90k treatments that involve months of inpatient care and newer fancier dope.
Keep up the hard work of saving lives.
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I have a buddy, Navy vet, ex hospital corpsman, sounds like similar implementation to mine, he had open soars, lesions, he has had liver failure before age 30, his coming to grips with his experience has been a journey, I spent thousands, and every penny well spent. Best cost value ratio I’ve ever seen. I took him in when he felt he had no out, and the process, has been ungodly, I fear for him every day, it’s taken years, and his trials are not done, but HE IS HERE, we lost his brother a decorated marine, he went through 3 tours, and couldn’t survive home… He has defied the odds and absolutely astonished me in his changes, you don’t have to be religious to pray, I pray everyday for that man. And he has bewildered me by the odds he faced.
Blessed are the broken bastards.
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So, I guess since I have thrown my thoughts out there, in for a penny, in for a pound…
Psychedelics are seretonergic agonizing substances (most typically) theres subtle variation across the different Synaptics, but they hit hard there.
(Opinion alert)
Most pharma meds we have been championing, are SSRI’s serotonin re-uptake, inhibitors, the philosophy I understand with their use is to have a slow withdrawal, of the serotonin signaling, to allow for an accumulated amount of the transmitter signal, which CAN help.
Serotonin agonists, do the opposite, you dump it, it’s why after a harsh weekend you get sentimental and up in dem feels. But there’s a strange potential there, you have the potential to feel and experience the verbose and wide bearing feeling.
Sometimes, we need reminders that we can be that happy, that we can break down our barriers, and FEEL that.
A well timed trip, CAN be a healthy reminder, but as with any experience, it need be done with consideration, and the experience, is not the answer. It’s the journey.
Just like TV isn’t the answer, but if you can figure out how to buy one, pay electricity, have a roof over your head, and have a little free time, you binge watch that Netflix series you beautiful creature, bonus points for the cheetos stains on the sweat pants. The world’s hard and you probably needed to stimulate yourself to switch off the mind from buying the TV, paying the electricity, and rent, and finding the free time… and damn, spent almost 5$ on dem cheetos. Polish off that season, you earned it.
I feel as though I vented enough here, I said my piece. I’ll stop being the loud kid in class.
(Packs up soap box)
“Turbulance is the price we pay. For flying high. Through all the hell and high water you kept us, through your natural, and loving grace you kept us, bless each and every one of us, in our loving faith.”
(Takes bow)
“See ya”
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This is also interesting to me because I theorize that high quality RSO at macro-doses can help with alcohol addiction and withdrawals because it has to convert through the liver and the RSO could potentially help with scarring or liver cancer and/or abnormal enzyme count.
I also think that heavy alcohol users can be sent into what I viewed in someone close as “Auto Withdrawal Syndrome” and I theorize that that happens due to the body not being able to consume alcohol during the high. The body aims to rely on the tiny trace of ethanol in the oil but the cannabis is clearly doing its job…
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Agreed, bravo, and excellent execution as a provider. Sorry, I meant to acknowledge this, these, are the victories, this is what it’s for, why I bet a fair portion here take on the task.
CBN can be beneficial, you may want them to sleep through the worst of it. It’s dependent on soo many factors.
The cofactors and variables are out of this world. And bravo for taking it on, it ain’t all easy peasy lemon squeezy, sometimes it’s hard, hard, lemon hard, and people deserve to, and it need be recognized, running to someone’s aid is a beautiful thing.
Glad others are out there, and nice of you to join.
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Last thing I swear.
I imagine this is what a harsh inner turmoil plays out as.
I love the broken, the beaten, the lost, tan people with white teeth aren’t so much my crowd, pale people with tan teeth tho, it’s refreshing to know others carry such understanding too, not alone… ever…
Don’t let your own brand of tough love be too much.
Appreciate the talk @squig these are some goodies, and glad to see people share. This is something the DARE program didn’t cover.
@GroovyOctopusLabs glad I got to show you something impactful.
@BigM glad you got to meet me a bit more, we have shared some banter. That I have greatly enjoyed.
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sorry been trying the last batch orally as I am trying to walk away
from vape and smoking.
been out for over a day.
so its a little stronger than I expected then 
using ssri’s to over come addiction and life issues is really
no better than taking the original drugs.
I can understand people with chemical imbalances but
to fix a life problem it is probably not the way to go.
I still with all of my heart though believe if you wish to get
high you should be allowed to in any way you wish if it hurts no
others but as a medicine I find they really just confuse the person
and dope them up so they are doing the same thing they
were before but just on another substance.
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What do you think about GABA-Analogues for the use of addiction or withdrawal?
insidious.
I ended up in er on G overdose and was lucky I survied.
when stopped a good dose of any gaba agonist if the user
is taking enough will put the user straight into convulsions and
then shortly afterwards death.
its one of the few that if you have a good habit and you stop dead
you end up dead.
my sister has just been prescribed valium for anxiety.
never smoked a joint nothing.
she is not talking to me right now as I dropped some oil off to
her trying to get here not too use the stuff.
I am worried to say the least.
having said that.
GHB taken for sleep every night for 2 years lead to no addiction.
if you take a benzo one or two times a week you will be ok.
if you dose g all the time to stay high in the end you will not
be able to sleep for more than one and a half hours before
redose.
its one to deal with a situation but not to be used for the long term.
so to detox no probs.
but you must be monitored and supplied by someone else.
there are not many that when given unlimited supplies of this
type of compound that do not fuck up on it.
now other than that.
I love them hehe
even more so with an opiate and a nice fat joint.