Don’t believe anything you read online without some pragmatism and some fact checking. I’ve seen some pretty retard levelshit being espoused as fact on future too, sometimes. Don’t forget the… groovy diamonds. That was a “reddit” level thread in my opinion.
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from what I have heard from users of this compound its a really
hell trip.
dark and nasty often ending in ego death and serious loss
of ones own direction for quite some time afterwards.
I think this may be what its use is, to shake the tree hard
enough that you start to care about the leaves you have left.
nope not trying that one thanks.
the best way I can think of too drop tolerance for opiates
is to use an antagonist at the same time in very small amounts.
this will not be noticed by the user and over time
and a very short time too you will see your tolerance drop
and in time it will not be the painful road it was too stop.
very interesting compound but datura was enough for me thanks.
the antagonist idea has been around for some time.
and I think this might have something to do with why when
you change strains of pot you get high again.
just a thought.
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Like Suboxone? It works pretty well.
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I have posted this on another forum before and had a lot of
praise for the understanding from psychs and doctors.
addiction is not the compound.
addiction is far more complex yet also more simple.
one finds one self in a position where they are suffering.
they try to escape this suffering by using a compound to
make them not feel or remember.
then they go through withdrawal when they can not get it.
the withdrawal and use is not addiction.
the addiction is when they find the suffering they have in normal
life too be worse than the withdrawal.
there are a few things one has to do to overcome addiction
and knowing this is probably why I can use and leave compounds
at will.
first when we experience something or think of something
it makes a pathway through your neural net.
if you fuel this with an extreme emotion it adds more chemicals
to the path your “cutting or scarring” through your network.
the more emotion the deeper the scar.
when we think of something or experience something quite
often our minds like to go down the easy path and if there
is a deep track already made that is were the mind will go.
this is what happens with drugs as well as pain
be it emotional or physical.
drugs are emotional at there very core.
so the addict has a few tasks ahead of them to recover.
they have to retrain there brain to not walk down the paths
they have created and they have too fix the source of there
suffering.
it is always more successful to fix the persons life suffering
before taking on the substance problem.
because the second there sober there right back were they
were and the withdrawals of the substance was no were
near as bad as there real life.
once one has fixed the source of there suffering they have
another problem to deal with.
how to make new pathways in the mind and how to avoid the ones
that have been put there by either there suffering or there drug
use.
distraction is king here and there are many ways to do this.
meditation is not relaxation.
it is training the mind to be disciplined by focusing on one
thing to the exclusion of all others.
a great meditator will be able to do this in the middle of a
major city street and will still find inner peace and the bliss
that it brings.
mindfulness uses the nose hairs and the movement of the
stomach as focal points to do this.
when we meditate our mind will drift and this is a natural part
of meditation.
the key is to have a little giggle in your head and then go back
to your focal point gently.
because too train the mind with doubt and fear is not the way
to find peace and happiness.
by doing this you teach yourself to let go of your failures and
have a sense of humor about them.
as we keep training the mind too focus on one point
we are cutting new pathways and the old are slowly
dying off.
there are of course otherways to find distraction and to
reprogram the mind.
many use love as a way (I personally think this is bad)
when we fall in love our chemistry in the mind changes
and we allow our selves to deal with what ever fucked up
habits our lover has.
this change in neural chemistry will remap the mind very quickly.
but the second you fall out of love your in danger of
starting the process all over again.
the 12 step programs use religion as the love point.
love your creator or higher power and you will be freed.
what they are saying is change your chemistry in your mind
and you will remap.
again not a good way to go.
schooling is a great way or finding a new career path
or what ever you need to do to stop thinking about the pain
you suffered and the drugs you took.
too just stop is not quitting it is just stopping and unless
you can remap the brain you will in time fail.
there are a few steps then
1 fix source of suffering
2 go through withdrawal
3 find distraction to remap brain.
it is really that easy.
depending on how deep the scaring is some like my self
can then use on occasion but most can not.
changing substances fixes non of these issues.
and I will make a great social worker when I finish my next
ticket.
ive had them and beaten them all.
except iboga nope not taken that
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exactly 
I am going to throw my 2 cents in… based on personal experience of 25 years of continues opiate addiction and 20 years of subsequent sobriety. Opiates… in the beginning are not the problem, they are the solution. The problem being a hole in your soul and a disconnect with your spirituality. Depending on the personality and the resourcefulness of the addict the solution has varying degrees of success and duration. In the end, what was once a solution becomes an overwhelming problem. In order to fill that hole in the soul a new solution must be found as there is no insanity like that insanity that ensues and consumes the brain when the solution is taken away.
Finding a way to move into the sunlight of the Spirit (grace) is a must. There is not just one path to grace but in order to find it a profound psychic change must take place. Although my personal path was not through the use of Ibogaine, it most certainly could lead one to the door and actually through it… once on the other side it takes constant work to maintain that place in the sunlight of the Spirit. In time new behavior can become the norm and mistaken core beliefs can be replaced.
My nephew (if he can get through the next 60 days in a treatment facility) is going to Hawaii for a 3 week intensive Ibogaine experience with extremely experienced guides. After that he will be spending 3 months in a follow up program… IMO he will certainly not be cured but like any recovering addict will have to work to maintain his place in the sunlight of the Spirit.
It is a near impossible task to go through life untethered from the planet.
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here you are talking of love
that will do the trick so long as you stay in love.
spiritual love is a lot easier as you do not have to worry about
what ever spiritual bliss you have found cheating on you
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Who’da thunk??
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spirituality is love.
it is knowing ones place in the universe and feeling love for
the cause of you being in that place.
it creates massive changes in the chemistry of the mind.
and is why 12 steps work for so many.
I am very spiritual though so I can understand
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when your nephew comes back make sure he has something
to aim for.
I was once told when I was younger that we need three things in
life.
something to do
something to aim for
and someone to share it with.
with these three things you can feel loved and give love.
one not only has to be loved but they must also love them
selves and often the path to loving ones self is through
self sacrifice or simply loving others.
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My nephew is more than aware of my journey through all of this and if he happens to ask I will be happy to share my thoughts and experience with him.
I have found that direction comes from within and often times unasked for advice or suggestions can become a blockade. Where there is sustainable will a way will be found.
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very true but it is also possible for things to just happen
and no one to feel indebted.
we all have lived our own lives and often someone telling us
how to do things makes it worse.
but when things just happen to come together most of
us are thankful.
lonelyness is a big killer for addicts.
to quit we have to let go of all of our friends.
I know I have done this my self.
then as an ex addict no one will trust you so you find it hard
to make new connections.
still I do not know the situation you are both in and often
it is wise to protect one self when dealing with a recovering
addict.
but a task here and there that ends in reward hurts no one
and for a lonely ex addict it can make all the difference in the
world.
im not religious in the christen sence (taoist actually)
but I did go to a catholic school.
love thy neighbor as you love thy self I think would be the right
thing to say here.
so many people just turned from me and left me to die in the
street.
there were a few though that really loved the person underneath
it all and could see that I was more than the addiction.
I would not have found my self again alone.
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Literally why I’ll never quit smoking cannabis. I don’t know how anyone can deal with reality like that. Time CREEPS SO SLOW when I’m sober it makes life feel like death because it feels never ending.
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mate ill never quite because I love it.
but I do take breaks.
distance makes the heart grow fonder (personally found
this saying not to be the truth but hey it works here)
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I help friends who are addicted…but it’s not heroin anymore…it’s fentanyl. I’ve noticed high quality RSO helps them immensely. Being dope sick is indescribable. I used to eat oxycontins…4x 80mg in my worst. It’s such a horrible addiction. Opiates and fentanyl. Its like putting a blanket over everything. Emotional and physical pain. Ppl who are dope sick don’t want to smoke weed…but if they’ll eat cannabis oil…completely different affect. Cuts down on the anxiety of not having it…and some relief from physical pain. Damn I still remember how my legs used to feel. Hopeless and wanted to jump out my own skin…like having a cold x 10,000…even your hair aches.
But try high quality RSO for whomever your helping…make sure it’s DECARBED well. U don’t want it sleepy…fine line on decarb time. Visually should still be small bubbles forming but minimal. Don’t want heavy cbn for dope sick. Unless they’re trying to go to sleep. Hmu I’ve been helping iv drug users for over a decade now. *Clean for over 7 years now. 
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another good way would be capsule and plug it if they do not have
diarrhea at that point in time.
yes opiates are like nothing else for there sickness.
most find the restless legs to be the worst but me
I get migraine naturally and have ptsd.
when I give up opiates the migraine is so fucking bad
that the rest does not seem to be as bad as it is for others.
another thing when we take opiates it over stimulates
the receptors and they split into multiple receptors.
then when the addict quits those receptors start screaming
for endogenous opiate that is not there to feed them.
the receptors slowly shrink into scar tissue and the addict recovers.
but like a scar on the hand if you re scratch it it opens easier
the same happens with opiate receptors and they grow back
after only a few goes again for the addict.
why I said “some” can use again.
also every time you quit its not like nicotine.
the add that the more you try the better you get.
not the case with opiates and its important that non
users understand this.
it gets worse every time you start and stop.
now think of how bad the sickness is and what a person must
go through to use again after they have gone through it.
these people are not scum or criminals there victims and
need help love and understanding.
locking people up for drug charges should be illegal and
fully punished.
the people doing this are saying we know your fucked now get
in the box because we don’t care.
of course violence theft all different things than a straight
drug charge.
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oh yes as BigM said welcome.
and well done
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I’d like to continue that thought train you were pulling there. It’s a goody, also thanks for your data dumps.
Addiction as you stated is not the substance. It’s the person. Neuronal pruning during the developmental years of children, depending on how the person was raised, environment, trauma, and reward, plays a major role in the settled brain chemistry of the adult.
Let’s say the dopamine pathways in your brain, were either not rewarded properly, or worse pruned due to negligence or trauma.
Substances that hit this pathway extrinsically, when the endogenous channels at baseline aren’t very active, is a curse.
I’m sure a few of you guys here have heard opiod/opiate addicts say the line “it feels like a warm hug”
It’s because the substance, provides the reward and pleasure center of our brains a large flooding of the signaling to produce that feeling.
But it is not the substance It’s the person.
^^^this thought pattern on addiction also covers everything from over shopping, over eating, etc
One can be traumatized from childhood, or even adulthood.
You never stop developing…
Wish I had more time to unpack this, but hope it provides some more thinky thoughts.
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