Fraction Finder Reviews

Our da Vinci sensor patent has been officially granted!!! U.S. Patent #10,758,839 B1, granted Sept. 1, 2020. Distillation fraction detection with the visible light spectrum (380nm to 750nm) using a visible light detector.

Back when distillation was still a temperature / vacuum pressure / visual color guessing game we tried using simple visible light to see if individual fractions could be isolated when coupled with an extremely sensitive light detector - only to find that yes in fact we very well could identify not just fractions of cannabinoids but also different solvents and solvent mixtures.

Previously, deep UVC has been used for absorbance and fluorescence spectroscopy while visible light remained unused due to limited ability of detection. UVC/UVB has become the standard method of detection for HPLC and other systems as the absorbance spectra is very diverse when compared to the fluorescence spectra, to which it is much easier to identify molecules from one another utilizing absorbance spectra than fluorescence.

Our detector is extremely sensitive to the point of seeing over 700 quadrillion color combinations! This extreme sensitivity allows us to detect the most slightest changes. Since no two molecules are absolutely identical, their absorbance and transmittance will also never be perfectly alike. Thus making it possible to determine fraction changes with the fluctuations in the visible light received by the detector.

To compare, your computer monitor only uses 16.9 million colors as its RGB range is 0-255, which works out to 256 ^ 3 = 16,777,216 colors plus grey-scale. Our sensor sees a RGB range of 0-900,000, which is then 900,000 ^ 3 = 729,000,000,000,000,000 colors plus grey-scale.

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Illum.-Extract.-Pat-10758.839.pdf (324.3 KB)

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Might as well start a new post, no?

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Your setup only determines the actual flow thickness and colorometry blockage of light. Your graph doesn’t determine differentials of compounds. It just shows how thick the fluid over the light is. Basically what’s obstructing it as a mass not identifier.

Nice try to hijack a thread

Lol @ hijacking the thread… If you would simply scroll up you would see that our sensor was already a part of this threads discussion. :love_you_gesture:

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Update (10/06/2020): The Fraction Finder ULTRA has officially been validated for use in Chromatography processes - as well as Conversion Reaction processes. Thank you to each of our hard-working R&D partners that collaborated with us to test this new sensor for these new applications and help us to develop instructions, especially those who have been participating in our Instagram group chats.

The new package is available for order on our website and through Arometrix’s distribution network, and comes with instructions for the technology’s use in both applications (see images below).

Summit Chroma Column FF

HX Labs SR-300 Synthesis Reactor

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I hear it’s for grass

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Sure looks cool, and I guess makes you feel like you’re doing something right. Honestly it’s not too difficult to fractionate using temps… I mean that’s the idea, we know the theory, but we still need a device that doesn’t quite tell the right fractions, but sure looks cool!

That’ll 5k please!

I think I’m going to get behind the pigment tracker. I’ve been reassured that he’s on the level regardless of the bullshit going on. Honestly don’t know why we have to be at each other’s throats… Well a couple of people at each other’s throats.

Just bring the heat, and prove it works!

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I am looking forward to checking out the Pigment Tracker when we are in San Diego for our class with @WaxPlug1. Its cool to see more people making devices in the area.

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that has been my experience with it on the outlet of a centrifuge while spray washing.

no indication whatsoever that it can see the cannabinoids. it claims to see chlorophyl and fats/waxes…

gonna have to go back to sampling obsessively for HPLC/GC analysis to dial in my process.

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At some point @arometrix and @spdking will have to acknowledge that the fraction finder doesn’t work as advertised.

If you want any help adapting it to be a Pigment Tracker let me know.

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I’m sure there are a lot of people who would benefit if you were willing to share that knowledge with the class.

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Sounds like a good opportunity for a consult, I wouldn’t be so eager to share that information.

With that said, I’m pretty sure @AlexSiegel gave enough information for a tech savvy person to figure it out in another thread.

If I was looking to turn my fraction finder into something other than a paper weight, I’d just consult alex.

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Here is some data that demonstrates that the fraction finder does not see cannabinoids but rather sees residual pigment.

First image is a control of 0g cbd isolate in 20mL ethanol.

Second image is .2g CBD isolate in 20mL ethanol, or 10x the concentration @arometrix claims to detect.

Third image is 2g CBD isolate in 20mL ethanol. You can see a distinct double peak shape within the hump.

Fourth image is .1g CBD distillate in 20mL ethanol. The fluorescent light is clearly coming from a non cannabinoid source.

@spdking here’s the white paper^

When small amounts of pigmented oil are used the fluorescent response is huge. When large amounts of cannabinoids are used the pigment fluorescence is eventually visible.

Clearly the sensor doesn’t work as advertised.

However it does work great as a Pigment Tracker

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All that you have to do to convert the fraction finder into a Pigment Tracker is purchase some 20mL glass scintillation vials off of amazon

Nicunom 30 Pack Clear Glass Sample Vials with Screw Cap, 20 ml Liquid Sampling Glass Bottles Screwcap Sample Vials Amazon.com

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Literally paid like 8k for a device (the FF ultra) that your 500 dollar device destroys

@arometrix do you have any refutes to these claims?

Youre about to have alot of pissed customers if @AlexSiegel is right (and tbh I trust him more then you guys by far…)

@Lincoln20XX didn’t you say it didn’t detect any cannabinoids either when you used it?

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Tends to be what happens when someone rushes to market a product just to compete with someone who already has a product out there; without proper testing before making claims about what it can do.

So @spdking went on to make a big stink about our DaVinci Sensor and how it was a lie and guided customers away from our unit to buy his instead… Guess time always reveals the truth.

I remember him saying it can see everything. From terpenes to vapors to solvents and cannabinoids. Plus it could apparently tell the concentration of the cannabinoids and identify each in the mixture because of his UV identification. It is apparently so accurate he calls it a “dedicated hplc analyzer” and can see individual cannabinoids without a chroma column to separate them. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :skull_and_crossbones:

He kept saying that because we don’t have UV our sensor cannot detect anything. But have we all forgotten how we observe far away planets to determine what they are made of? Not to mention that @spdking swears the Beer-Lambert Law is quackery / hokey-pokey bs science. :man_facepalming:

We have discussed open-sourcing before, the only thing we are really missing is a proper space to host the release. Somewhere everyone can put in their two cents and contribute to the technology. The hardware to build your own sensor is not that expensive. Just need some basic soldering skills, a micro-controller, and a 3d printer.

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Update your system buddy! Your running two versions back. What’s your custom wavelength? Also let’s see the other display. You often get a better picture if you see the signal intensity over time this is the most useful part when analyzing the data.

from a vial sitting in the detector?

maybe if you’re looking at/for photodegredation…

The device can be helpful (to some), while not actually tracking cannabinoids. it has just not yet proven itself useful to me yet. your use case may vary.

It’s a better visualization for the resulting data.
Especially for things were you do not get good wave structures. But again this device was setup to track dynamic changes over time. To answer questions like changing fractions.