I agree this is excellent internet etiquette and would be open to suggesting this in the PII rule.
They aren’t equal though. You are encouraged to come here anonymously but this is also for businesses to interact with the community. You can have both accounts completely separate and unless you abuse the fact, we would never know. If someone posted pictures or name of a person who was trying to be anonymous I would handle it differently than a ‘public persona’ where your username is you on every other service.
People ask all the time for us to look up IPs to find sock puppet accounts. This is a dox right?
If all this is up on your ig(or ~ sm) publicly I think ‘the people’ have a right to know who they are dealing with. In a lot of states business info is public record for a reason, where private info is not.
And there is a line when you start uploading pictures of family, in a thread where everyone is angry or something like that. I hope I have handled those situations fairly but anything below a threat falls under the good ole 1st.
what I’m saying is the line we want to draw is probably more about the context, than the info posted. There are cases where the info posted or ‘the doxx’ might be beneficial to the community (like knowing who the owner of a business is) and others where it’s fuel for a drama fire (family pictures, addresses and such).
I think if we are all on a public forum we all have a public persona. This is where we differ in opinions. If this was an invite only forum that would be much different.
Just about anyone here can be linked to their legal name without many steps to get there. I just don’t think there should be a different rule book depending on your occupation.
No this is cop like behavior and shouldn’t even be acknowledged.
Then that person should be posting with their company name or their legal name as screen names are sorta private for a reason.
The point is it took the measures to conceal my identity till SOMEONE else uploaded my name
I dont think you should allow pics posted if someone’s taken precautions to protect there identify
Mine was more protected then @thesk8nmidget (my IG and Future profile have the same name but my real name is no where to be listed where as sk8 uses his RN on his IG)
Usually just 1 step, which is why making a rule about it seems so silly. And not exactly per occupation, but simply how much effort did the person go through to be anonymous. We can even quantify it in steps. Username>Businessname>PII vs Username>triangulating pictures of their farm on google maps>stake-out>follow home> post personal address
I propose those worried about it, do this from the start. Or the other way, and make a new screen name that you don’t use on other services even if your real name isn’t attached. This is true for all services. Go a step further with a different email on each account.
I don’t think they should have to do that. I’ve never been on a forum where I felt like I had to worry about it till here.
I’ve been a member of cannabis forums since 2003. None have I ever felt like people could or wanted to dox me. There has been some weird fuckery here that wouldn’t be allowed anywhere else I’ve ever visited.
It shouldnt take a diagram or need explaining. The rules should apply to all equally or they aren’t really rules.
No. I think it’s personally fine to research someone on the forum. I think it should be against the rules to post that persons name.
If you want to say go search linknin and type in quality stainless parts. That’s fair game. But posting ones name in a public forum is not ok.
I don’t think even posting the link is ok. If you want to spoon feed a search or way for that person to find it easier. So bid. But outting someones name when they didnt do it here is fuck shit!
I think the discussion between you and @sidco here is starting to border between rules and etiquette.
If someone has essentially done a quick Google search of you, they can usually find your name and your pictures—as I understand it, if the information is available on the web, it’s fair game here (even pictures).
But the grey area starts to come around when it gets threatening or expands to people that aren’t you but are close to you, or if it starts branching into personal addresses and information that could very much put you at risk having on an open forum.
My ideal version of this is: if someone is uncomfortable with any personal information (their name or pictures) being shared here they should be taken down…but that’s just my opinion, I don’t have as nuanced an understanding about Internet free speech.
In terms of etiquette, I think the idea of respect and mutual admiration has gone out the window here. In fact, this is one thing I know about the traditional market—most people treat each other with respect or their not worth doing business with.
Instead, here, people have begun disregarding any sense of decency or dialogue or decorum. If those things aren’t self regulated from within this will continue to be an issue and no amount of censorship will fix it.
Just want to drop the definition of PII, and offer anyone to post a better definition if they have one. A picture can be just as much PII as a name, or a link, or whatever.
" Non-PII can become PII whenever additional information is made publicly available, in any medium and from any source, that, when combined with other available information, could be used to identify an individual."
This is exactly what happened when my name got dropped
Fuck no I didn’t, I was pissed off. Fortunately both parties did the right thing and redacted all the entries, but if the rules dictated that it should stay then I guess I’d have to move on.
I like the thought of laying out the rules to follow the etiquitte but I think this shit is a little more complicated to draw a line in the sand.
I hope that serves as an example as to why a PII rule would be extremely hard to articulate and also the reason I put the punishment may vary disclaimer. Even without a personal name, usernames linked to ones business, ones person(sm), ones drama, eventually theres so much non pii together when you add it all up you got pii.
You know anyone can run a scraper that watches the way users type, and can id them across digital mediums. Even the way you type is PII.
If we just removed the ego none of this could ever be an issue, instead we focus on learning and contributing to a science forum.
I’d love to see posting personal dms lumped in with this too. Some of this shit needs to stop. We need some sorta rules and etiquette.
None of this really has to do with me either. I haven’t really been doxed. My shit is sorta easy to find. Nothing really here has been posted about me that makes me uncomfortable. But I still feel really strong about the fuck shit posting personal shit.
I would absolutely say feel free to call users out, and rally against them for that. I am sure you can see where posting DM might be beneficial to the community, like when ppl shared DMs from the @lunavapes fiasco.
Would also be open to making that a part of our etiquette. Just not grasping making a rule about it in a way I have seen written down. I hope that everyone is vigilant to call moderation out because everything rn is basically contextual and not a “hard rule”, besides hemp slanging, and even then the punishments vary as I see fit.