No… but the fast-crash often has rapid boiling due to the excessive nucleation of crystallites subsequently nucleating points of vaporization along with the exothermic heat of nucleation!
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Are you assuming the phenomenon you describe is in fact
Boiling due exothermic dynamics of crystallization
…ie you have measured a delta Temp increase?
I.e., not a flashing described above…? Delta P…
Transition …how the liquid is being forced to leave the extraction apparatus.
I don’t care one way or another…just want to check off list.
In the later the interfacial physiochem would drive crystallization.
Upon a little deeper reading…to be clear …there are interfacial phenomena which may drive the process of nucleation you refer to. the later being exothermic…
As you suggest. Perhaps. A moot point….
But a medusa can be made without the flash boiling occurring…??
Then YES ! Got it.
Thanks.
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Dred a little slide you might use in your next lecture series:
Del G= del H - Tdel S
The transition from the undefined solution of cannabinoic acid in aprotic solvent
To the ordered forms you “imagine” are the del S aspects.
Now “imagine” at least 100 contaminating extractables doing the same…
All in the same jar.
It would be really nice if the jar teK represents “homogeneous nucleation”
As depicted above….don’t forget to spin the gunk off in the centrifuge.
Voodo solution chemistry to Voodo Crystal growth…as noted
SOPs ….make WEEDO market crystals…business…it is all good…
Medusa forms…those little devils.
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Well, due to the low sub-room-temp boiling point of the butane, this heat cannot be measured normally in-situ (e.g., with a thermometer). Only its effects can be observed.
None of the phenomena are mutually exclusive, here. You are correct. There is also a complex interaction of causes and effects, wherein every effect is a cause (and affecting causes) for other effects! 
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How’s that going?
I remember our conversation about this and I figured out what you believe it is too…in a few minutes
Have fun acting cool and not actually helping anyone
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Also tried speaking with you about this several times
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My favorite part of this whole conversation is that you all named them “Medusa” stones.
Have you all looked up that story? Why she was cursed? Seems super relevant to this industry in general
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It’s not medusa stones, it’s just spicy gas bro.
What’s your overall take on the theories presented?
I’m a fan of the amine hypothesis, but there’s not a lot of concrete reports coming in about the use of activated alumia and 10a molecular sieve in liquid phase. If folks are trying it, they don’t seem to be coming back to discuss the issue.
Have you all looked up that story? Why she was cursed? Seems super relevant to this industry in general
She was cursed because the gods are dicks, IIRC.
I like how some folks deny the fast crash issues, others claim to have it solved for 10-20K consultation fee, and some folks like murphy think folks are extracting warm and not washing their systems with soapy water.
And not even counting the theories from the folks that believe in fast crash. About 20 theories at this point…
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It could honestly be anything without confirmation, but amines check the majority of the boxes, the next bet would be the additional impurities in the gas nobody’s talking about, like excess pentane, acetone, and heptane causing a cosolvent type crystal, that simply acts differently but is still possible to manipulate into what we want.
But again maybe nobody’s talking about them because they are not the issue.
I do know testing labs have LOQ’s which if we all have some butane with 25 different impurities, it could definitely cause these issues yet be under LOQ
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They’re too busy not having the issue. Orders for 10a Molesieve Beads, Activated Alumina and Alumicel A speak for their effectiveness.
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I already have some, I just need to use it properly (ie, liquid phase) and make a case for bringing it to work. I run personally a few times a year, so it’s a little slow.
If I can prove it works, I’ll gladly sing your praise.
I still like a well sourced thesis, vs “idk, try soapy water and this graph about solvent pressure” (aka murphy)
Hash scientists > instagram hash influencers
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My next question, and I may be asking for a very large spoon from our analytical friends, but… why can’t I get this tested?
It’s a great argument, but can anyone explain why we haven’t been able to look for the responsible species in question? I have resources, but my ignorance is a bigger blocker.
@Photon_noir What analytic method would be able to look for these amine species? A coherent argument is a godsend in a sea of broscience and conjecture, but analytics are worth their weight in gold when dealing with management.
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The answer to that make amine more of a suspect, because it boils off just before butane does or with it?, there has been a hypothesis on how to obtain testing, but that hasn’t been concluded.
so just like you being small at home yet not able to present it to work without proof…
these r&d subjects take time and take time and or $ to accomplish, that being said, if people have done that and spent the time and $, its now valuable information, that stuff doesn’t get out so easily until the few who openly share information figure it out also…
I posted an article on how amines can possibly be detected using GC that showed that its peak was hard to distinguish and took a specific spectrum to get the peak.
Lastly nobody knows what it is, its just theories until evidence makes it fact.
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Totally, @TurahTurah ! I remember you hit me up on Instagram, right? 
Indeed, @anon88836658 … I have mentioned several different ways to sample and test for amines in several places and with several vendors and groups. I have yet to get any folks or analytical labs to actually perform the right sampling and tests with the right instruments, methods and calibrations. C’est la vie, no?
@Cryo13 , you and the others are correct: It’s all just conjecture, evident & educated or not, until we get some solid proof! Sadly, it seems most are content with whatever solution is effective, regardless of knowing the root cause. Worse, when they DO solve it, they stop discussing it with everyone. 
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I think we all hope it goes away just as it came, its hard to prove something exists when it can’t be seen, then there’s the working for others aspect, where we can’t afford the tests on our own, and since we can make it “work” the boss won’t pay for something that is essentially not needed.
Maybe those people aren’t solving anything, they are just mitigating and bragging as if there is no issue, perhaps they are the boss at their facility which a boss sees a solution to a problem as no problem, even if it’s not a solution per se.
If they had the solution they would be selling it up with a huge thread saying they could fix it for anyone, not offering something that makes it appear as if they don’t have the issue but offering an actual fix, and suspected culprit, but nobody is so I assume all fixes are just bandaids.
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I gotta reread all these threads anyways. Thank you for pointing me to some spoons.
It’s the best conjecture so far, I hope my need for pragmatism doesn’t come off me as me poking holes. Well, it’s exactly that, trying to kick the tires on the idea! They’re feeling solid so far.
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13X. Same angstrom but different thing
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We’re both right. The product is 10a Molesieve beads 13x.
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