great cat but must come with the warning I put in the thread above.
fire fire fire fire.
very pyrophoric.
be trained before use.
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Luckily Sigma Aldrich won’t ship that to just any facility. I would assume, and hope, that only a trained chemist would attempt to synthesize it themselves. For the rest of us, we’re at the whim of Sigma…
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its not hard to synth but it is more than someone who has not practice chem for bit could do I think
so I would not be too worried about people who are not with a clue making it.
but a lot of people here were from the underworld before cannabis was legal and they can
get what ever sigma offers license or not,.
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Valid points but it never hurts to say it again!
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Oh for sure. If someone messes up a zinc chloride reaction it’s a shame, but when someone messes up with with the organometallic catalysts… They die in a horrific fire…
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as always scale is everything.
you have 10 or 20ml of ether go up and its not nice.
you have a litre and you will be lucky to live
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I am vehemently anti lab fire 
. You can never have too many fire extinguishers in your lab, grow, or kitchen.
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Truer words have never been spoken. Keep it safe everyone.
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im a bad booyy 
I sometimes just set them off to see them go.
I once had a strip of lithium in a lab stand that I lit with a map torch.
I had the stand stupidly on the window sill at the time (very early in my schooling it was)
melted the stand and the window then the window blew up (like blew up blew up)
a heap of sand end up stopping the fire on the wooden window sill lighting the whole flat up.
fire is dangerous that is for sure.
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that’s why I always do my sketchy lab procedures with one hand ready to smash the valve off the top of the CO2 bottle with a 4lb sledge
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dry powder is better though much more of a mess I think.
The combustion reactions of lithium with O2, H2O, CO2 and N2 are discussed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283724580_A_review_on_lithium_combustion
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just to clarify 1 1/2 hours is 1.5 hours.
the more acid the more dirt your going to make.
I get more colour in the product the stronger the acid.
it may be that using a even weaker dilution and much longer reaction times (like 12 hours +)
will give clear d8
I didn’t get some one to try the 1 hour reaction so I have not been given any spectra of it.
so maybe 30 min is the best time for d9.
blind I am blind.
though I get by with a little help from my friends.
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has the raman spectra for delta 9 and cbd.
Raman Spectroscopy Study of Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol and Cannabidiol and their Hydrogen-Bonding Activities
Raman Spectroscopy Study of Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol and Cann.pdf (3.3 MB)
contains the raman spectra for delta 9 CBD THCA CBDA CBG and CBGA
Raman-Based Differentiation of Hemp, Canabdiol-Rich Hemp and Cannabis
Raman-Based Differentiation of Hemp, Canabdiol-Rich Hemp and Cannabis.pdf (533.9 KB)
ok I am having trouble finding the raman spectra for delta 8.
I know its in two databases that are paid for one I know is from stellarnet the other I have forgoten the
name.
but it shows that delta 8 and 9 are able to differentiated via raman now.
someone will have to get a sample from cayman chemicals so we can get the spectra.
in fact I might have to arrange to get quite a few of the cayman cannabinoids as they have quite a lot.
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Hey Sorry for the late response, I was really into the experiment and sometimes the Real Live came up in between
I have now carried out several tests, including of course the “test every 30 minutes” ^^.
In all tests I have now used the approximate 0.1 mol. As a 0.37-0.4% hydrochloric acid solution. (~ 0.1 mol as an interim solution
feels good to me, because I work with 37% hydrochloric acid, and of course it is easy to add 1 ml of concentrated acid to 100 ml of IPA
Mix. With such small “test quantities” the fluctuations are of course stronger in relation, so realistically I am about 0.35 to
0.4 percent acid concentration …;).
I only started without inert gas. Process like yours (just did a little more washes).
Just a little less CBD per 100 ml IPA at the beginning. I took 6g of CBD on 300 ml of IPA and 3 ml of 37% acid, only added when everything was ready
(hot) and then added to the flask.
The reaction started almost immediately because the flask, water bath and adapter were already heated. (ok mathematically anyway 2/3
Minutes later … with more solution you have to add another 1 or 2 minutes until the solution has the temperature and the same
reacts …).
Each test was ended so that the solution was cooled in 3 to 4 times as much water and then all the washes were carried out
(HCO3 is okay to slowly reduce the PH several times if you then wash several times with water and at the end with it
Salt water dries ??? I’m a little unsure if that’s enough ^^).
With the (exhausting) “test every 30 minutes” and about 2g CBD per 100ml IPA, I came to “moderate” after 45 minutes with the KOH (strip test)
to slightly high "purple reaction, went slowly but after 3 or 4 minutes pink came first and then at some point clear purple.
I took the next sample 35 minutes later (after a total of 95 minutes), this sample gave almost no reaction in the KOH test.
I would say after more than 10 minutes a light pink / purple shimmer came slowly, but hardly any real reaction. Sample 3 and 4 (after
another 30 or 60 minutes) resulted in a very very similar picture,
after very many minutes at most a minimal color change. Sometimes I thought it would be purple, but it was more brownish … I think
Samples 3 and 4 were already superfluous, sample 2 had already passed the perfect point.
(I wasn’t exactly why there were 4 samples even though I only had 300 ml, each sample had less, probably around 60 to 80 ml …)
So I assumed the reaction had to be somewhere between 45 minutes and 95 minutes to complete. I was happy about that
Realization and decided to set the next test higher.
Stupidly (very unscientific - I know) I started the next test in a higher concentration (more CBD per 100ml IPA,
now 5g per 100ml instead of 2g per 100ml as before), because I thought the difference between 55 minutes and 95 minutes was more important than that
Concentration of CBD. And of course it is also more economical to process 5g CBD per 100ml solution, or 50g CBD per 1000ml.
At the same time this time I worked with inert gas. At the moment, however, co2 must serve as the inert gas (in laboratory glass without special
Pressure) which I take from Sodastream bottles with a tinkered device (I installed a bubble counter in the inlet to see
whether it still comes in, and vice versa at the “air outlet” a very long hose that ends in water so that I can see whether the overpressure is out
comes. If something is wrong, the bubble counter has a non-return valve, and the hose at the outlet is so long that it can be completely under vacuum
surely see soon enough that it is sucked in instead of ejected ^^).
The gas supply is a bit like MacGyver, but I can always see if (and how many bubbles) are coming in and how much are coming out. A
The minimum overpressure results from the height of the counter pressure device (height of the water where the outlet bubbles appear. So everything is complete
Minimal, only very minimal increased pressure, kept the water level at the outlet low, so really no (noteworthy /
There is a fair amount of pressure.
(Safety is through the suction device ala decommissioned pipe fan from the Growen (780 in a 3x3.5 room + 7 Mini Ventis, + second
Duct fan 1 meter further (suction) and of course constant ventilation while working, guaranteed …
Now I thought (despite a little more than twice as much CBD per 100 ml IPA or 1 ml HCL) that I would get roughly similar results.
Wrong …
And since I’ve already worked with some kind of inert gas (only Co2), the 1: 1 comparison is now not possible (as I said, very much
Unscientific … Sorry!)
I came to a clear purple after 67 minutes (with Co2 as an inert gas and a little more than double the amount of CBD) (would say even a little faster
than the sample after 45 minutes in the first attempt in the 30 test series).
After 95 minutes (i.e. exactly the same moment when the first test without gas and with a little less than half of the CBD the reaction occurs
Once completed, the KOH test actually does almost the same thing as the previous test. Hardly any different, after a few minutes of purple it becomes more and more in
the direction went … So this time after 95 minutes there is still a lot of CBD in it.
Since in my assumption I get closer to the process (and spend / save money on solvents, CBD, gas) unfortunately not in the last step
I proceeded scientifically but changed the concentration and at the same time added gas, I’m not sure now, of course
why this time after 95 minutes not most (or all) was converted. Like I said, SORRY, I could beat myself up that
I didn’t go step by step. Unfortunately, I don’t know whether it is mainly the higher concentration or the gas
Are responsible.
Since I was too haughty I have to either start again with the old concentration (which helps to know) and still with gas. Or
start again with the (desired / economical concentration) but without gas. And then everything again with gas. Take it slowly
the nerfs have already dissolved almost 200g of CBD in the last few weeks (it is only cheap from 1000g, so you can test it beforehand
the prices outrageous -.-) …
I think my next plan will be to take the same concentration as the first time (i.e. about 2g CBD per 100ml solution 0.1 mol)
and then directly with gas. So I can tell whether the gas makes the difference or whether it is more due to the CBD concentration. (The
is easier to calculate ^^).
I probably had a mistake in thinking when I thought the acid concentration calculated on the material to be changed would be lower
Effects. I probably have a mistake in reasoning because of the relationship between the acid strength and the material. Co2 is not really an inert gas either,
this should only work under normal pressure, but the mini pressure change through the MacGyver method may do something with the Co2
off … (As acid, i.e. carbonic acid, it should have accelerated, right? Could it be that the gas barely influences the whole
Had conversion? The carbon dioxide only goes into the water (which will be added later) under the appropriate pressure, right? The reaction takes place
with 99.9 Ipa and hold 1 part of smoking hydrochloric acid instead …). No water.
I suspect that the CO2 does not intervene in the reaction and acts as an inert gas as assumed / hoped for. Carbon dioxide as a product would have to be the
Otherwise speed up the reaction and not slow it down … -or do I have a mistake?
But what I can say about the first test (without gas, only 2g per 100ml Ipa and 1ml 37% HCL) is: the sample after 45 minutes (with
clearly purple) worked to some extent. The sample after 95 minutes (late only light purple, more pink) looked strong, had the direct
Vaporizing in the pipe but a sour taste on the tongue, almost neutral when vaping in a bong or with an electric nail, maybe
slightly burnt taste / smell), all samples afterwards got worse, so with increasing time it got worse, especially in the
Taste (always sour) sample 2 (~ 95 minutes) was really good (that’s why I used this unscientific approach
Decided / bad, sorry! 
Oh and before I forget: The polarimeter is a great invention! When I get to this point, I will be very happy
certainly bring a lot. But it only brings you something when you come to the “fine-tuning”. If the result still varies between
“I hardly notice anything” and “I’m so big”, it doesn’t help “sooo” much. It gets interesting with the fine-tuning, so in a few
Weeks;) As long as it is still a question of whether it works at all or not at all, of course personal taste is much more important than
Measuring instrument.
But since I smoke several gram weed a day anyway, I’ll soon get to the point where I will need a measuring device to see if it is
better or worse than last time;)
(Due to my high tolerance and the resulting poor assessment skills I will, however, every well-appearing “attempt”
get tested by others (less often weed people)
And at the end of this very long text it is very important to mention: This is so confused and incomprehensible because I don’t speak English. I learned it at school for 12 years, but never understood it and will never learn it when I’m over 40. Some people don’t know languages, they can only just manage their own, but are unbeatable in math, physics, etc. Unfortunately, that’s me. I hope you will forgive me and let me be a part of the topic despite google translate, because I haven’t seen anything more interesting than that in the last 20 years!
My sister almost dropped out of maths because she speaks similarly poor English. Most of them are even thrown out because of foreign languages (English) (why do mathematicians need foreign languages).
At the end of her studies she received an offer from ESA (European for NASA), which she only refused to accept because of a child.
Such things are wrong and it is incomprehensible why someone decided that you have to be able to speak international languages if you are interested in something completely different.
Even if communication via Google Translate is sometimes difficult, I am sure that we can still help each other and it would do more harm than help if people who are not so good at English were excluded. And hopefully Google Translate will get better with time (sorry for some misunderstandings …).
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I know what you mean.
try reading hyperlab.info
they are the russian bee’s and I have gone through there site many times.
even have kalma there which is hard not speaking russian.
you are doing well.
not sure what the introduction of water will do to the system but it looks like you are doing well.
ye I have come to the idea that one and a half hours is the best.
well done.
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I seem to get very immune to it very quick.
but if I cook another batch and vary the time I get high again.
I think for it to be as good as I want it I have to go to THCa so now comes the
next stage of the journey.
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Thank you for your understanding It’s hard to represent words on the Internet with hands and feet, but if it helps both of us, we should try
Ok i read the Site know, thanks
edit: I will read the page now;)
Edit2:
Oh I guess I have to ask a buddy to translate that for me: D But he’ll probably be good at it, he grew up in Russia and only came here when he was 13 (someone of German descent and from the Soviet zone in the 90s came back home)
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good luck I suggest you use google chrome and its inbuilt translator.
took me ages to get it so I understood what they were saying.
they have been around since the hive and they are still going.
Oh yes, Google Chrome with auto-translation is absolutely irreplaceable to me. But you have to be very careful that you don’t understand something exactly the wrong way round;) (was difficult for me at the beginning on Future, many things only come out after a while because of the language barrier ^^).
You often have to translate back and forth over and over again to understand whether you should do something like this, or in no case …
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russian is another thing all together than most langauges.
the way they think is like the borg.
every thing is about us or the comrads there views on individuality are different and there language
matches.
reductions come out as resolution when translated to english as well.
I learnt french at school but that was a long time ago and being so far from the rest of the
world I have not used it.
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