CBC detected, recall ensues. This one weird trick can avoid the OLCC

[MedicineManHempCo]

@moveweight

Consumers deserve to know what theyre actually consuming. Wouldn’t you agree?

Oh the irony coming from a former blue diamond salesman…

[SpookyDistillation]

@TheTomatoGuy

Is there any way to definitively differentiate between a batch of synthetic CBC and a batch of “alternatively-derived” CBC?

It’s still early, but people are figuring it out. CBC isn’t directly mentioned, but seems relevant enough:

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[Muzik_CO2tech]

We buy our cbd and cbn distillate out of one of the big guys in Oregon. Can’t recall the name atm, but does this mean the cbn distillate is considered a synthetic noid? Or can i expect it to be cannabis derived now that it is past july 22? We are in CO and make cbd infused carts. I use the cbn for our new gummy line. One of our go to grows usually have some decent amt of cbn, cbc, cbg and thcv. Didnt realize folks synthesize these noids in labs too. The more you know…

[Dr_Jebril]

@TheTomatoGuy

Other ideas here?

It seems in fact easier to obtain CBC in significant concentration (90%) via “total” (1 step) synthesis, rather than via conversion.
It can be obtained from oxidation of CBG, bit it is also further easily oxidised to CBTC, and further to iso thc and CBL… so not that simple to obtain via conversion.

Synthetic CBC often still contains traces of citral et olivetol precurdors. And CBTC as main impurity (several %,).

There is something to do with the enantiomers as well. It seems that the plant only produces one.

[TheTomatoGuy]

@Dr_Jebril

easier to obtain CBC in significant concentration (90%) via “total” (1 step) synthesis

Could you explain “total” (1 step) synthesis in a sentence or three?

[pdxcanna]

olivetol + citral

[cyclopath]

@Muzik_CO2tech

Can’t recall the name atm, but does this mean the cbn distillate is considered a synthetic noid?

In Oregon, absolutely.

How do you imagine it is being made?!?

[cyclopath]

@TheTomatoGuy

Could you explain “total” (1 step) synthesis in a sentence or three?

Up thread.

@cyclopath

Synthesis: CBC (1a) is the only phytocannabinoids from Cannabis that can be obtained relatively easily by synthesis. The classic preparation is based on a tandem Knoevenagel-electrocyclic reaction between citral (12) and olivetol (5-n-pentylresorcinol, 13).

https://coloradochromatography.com/media/cannabichromene.pdf

1k word substitute. Same ref.

[cyclopath]

@Muzik_CO2tech

Didnt realize folks synthesize these noids in labs too. The more you know…

Methinks you need to pay more attention to sourcing your ingredients….(synthesis route matters. As does competence in post synthesis clean up).

@Muzik_CO2tech

One of our go to grows usually have some decent amt of cbn, cbc, cbg and thcv

Decent amount?!?
I’d wager less than 2%? Probably less than 1%. Except for CBG, but that requires the right genetics.

You’re purchasing from a “hemp” lab , how do you imagine one gets from plants producing 10-15% CBD to 90+% CBN without chemical modification?

Define synthetic.

Maybe check out Search results for 'CBN SOP' - Future4200

Eg: CBC to CBN and Synthesis of CBN seems relevant.

[Muzik_CO2tech]

This is all new to me honestly. My coworker sources the material and i just make everything and we both just took on these positions after both our superiors abruptly left. Before i read this thread i just assumed a dialed in short path and a fraction finder sadly. I assume the cbn was synthesized from cbd/cbg at least. Will def be asking questions about their process for sure and will def be reading up on those threads and other sources. Thanks

[cyclopath]

@Cassin

So it could be any of those things and have nothing at all do to with seriously cool new synthetic (as in from dinosaurs, not from weed) cannabinoids. <3

New designation: Dinosaur Derived Cannabinoids.

Yo Bro, you tried that DDC HHC?

[Cassin]

@cyclopath

Dinosaur Derived Cannabinoids.

Oh man! that’s awesome. I’ve been making things from dinosaurs (or the plants that they ate…or died around the time they did…) for so long. Sometimes I wonder what we will do when there are no more dinosaur remains for us to make new and improved things out of. Probably we will like recycle or start digging up landfills or something. Who knows!

There are some interesting DDC out there - people have been making them from fossil fuels (aka dinosaurs) for about 20 years now.

My real question remains - is it cheaper to grow cannabinoids or make them in a lab? Is it cheaper to grow them in plants other than hemp or THC rich hemp?

Costs a lot to GMO something into corn for instance - but with our mono-culture and knowledge of how corn grows, and all the harvest and planting tools for that crop (Way better than some of the hemp planting and harvesting tools that are available…)

Anyway. Thank you for coining a new term DDC - could be coming to a state near you (they certainly have before…) Phytocannabinoids may become a thing of the past (but not as old as dinosaurs!) <3

[AlexSiegel]

@Muzik_CO2tech

Before i read this thread i just assumed a dialed in short path and a fraction finder sadly

It’s wild how many different bullshit claims have been made by the fraction finder team.

[cyclopath]

@Muzik_CO2tech

Before i read this thread i just assumed a dialed in short path and a fraction finder sadly.

That question does come up every now and then. Answer is generally; “not happening!!”

Chromatography does allow separation of individual cannabinoids, but it a generally considered too expensive.

THC, CBD, CBG, THCV, CBDV can all be pursued via genetics first.

Are you using D8?

[Muzik_CO2tech]

No we dont mess with d8 or any of that. We have had some naturally occuring d8/d10 in our sourced CBD materials tho. We buy trim, extract with co2 and process the oil. Comes out a nice amber color and its formulated with its strain specific CDTs.

[cyclopath]

@Muzik_CO2tech

naturally occuring d8/d10 in our sourced CBD materials tho

“Natural” is probably a stretch…”accidental” or “unintentional” are probably a better fit to reality.

See: THC Imposters (Isomers) to start. Check out some of the links below the first post for deeper exploration.