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Have you been looking at the weird and wacky prototypes we have been making lol?
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Need more heat capacity? Is this the reason for the ffe?
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welp, the evaporation surface is only half the gameâŚ
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What am I looking at there?
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doohickys⌠right now just experimental evaporator bodyâs. We are trying all kinds of stuff to get this dialed in!
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Yes sir
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Looking for a better route than conventional ffe?
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True steel has some options depending on how much solvent you need chilled per hour
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yep, ffe clogs like a bitch with bho.
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Are you suggesting I math first?
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Rising film?!?
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no film lol!
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Iâd just buy the 300 gph. 
. And when more is needed buy another.
No math needed just big wallet. (Or due calculations and save alot of $)
There 100gph should work for 90% of companies out there.
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My thought for the time being is to run through the ffe to take most of the chill off the -60c injection and let the rest of it happen in the collection vessel
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Ill look when i get there, it was just stainless counter flow off amazon. Works pretty good for the price
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Iâm curious why you guys would go talk to Bizzy to buy a chiller.
The Huber chillers are terrible for what you want them for and are over priced IMO, how can you not see this clear as day? Do you just like them because Bizzy talks about and sells them?
The Unistat operating principle runs counter to what you are trying to achieve and you are paying a huge premium for it as well as the Huber brand name. Why does this sound like a good idea to you?
Bizzy is great (though a little full of himself IMO) and I donât hate him but he sure has some people wrapped around his little finger. I love how he has crafted a narrative that the âsmartâ people go to him and everyone else is just dumb blue collar guys. LOL. Heâs a good salesman but to be honest he hasnât really innovated in the extraction space in years. The CO2 cooling was cute years ago but itâs not really the best idea IMO.
A Huber 915w costs $120,000+ and has 1.3Kw cooling capacity at -80C.
A Huber 950w costs about $450,000+ and has 10Kw cooling at -80C.
A Cryodax 60X has 11Kw at -80C and costs $140,650.
Pretty shocking difference, isnât it.
The comparison I like to make is that a Huber is like a very overpriced scalpel. A lot of what you pay for is precision temp control that we donât need in extraction. What we need is a cheap sledge hammer of a chiller and thatâs something like a Cryodax (or custom made unit similar to what Bhogart is doing).
Donât forget that most of these chillers that are powerful enough to actually replace dry ice as you current use it would require 400V+ electrical service and a separate water cooling system setup as either run-to-waste off of municipal water or a separate cooling tower. Flow rate required for a Cryodax 60X is 22gpm at 70F. That would add up quick if you did the run-to-waste route. A cooling tower is ideal (and expensive).
Which brings up another great point that is a detractor of fully enclosed chillers: rejecting the heat removed from the process and from the operation of the chillerâs pump/compressors. This has to be done one way or another. Water cooling is the best/quietest. Fan cooling is also an option. Anyone who has owned a large fan-cooled chiller will tell you they can be loud and add significant heat to the work area.
I still laugh to myself when I think about Bizzyâs post he made while testing insulation for his columns a few months ago. He had a Huber 915w being cooled with a 10t glycol chiller (Iâd love to know the installed price of this) and by his own admission it took several hours to reach -70C with no thermal load on the system besides the bare insulated columns! This is due to the overly cautious temp control regime in the Unistat control system not wanting to overshoot and not cycling the compressor enough.
Does that sound like a good idea for replacing dry ice recovery?? IMO Bizzy should have long ago hired a refrigeration technician to build him custom units like Bhogart has done. Itâs actually kind of shocking he hasnât done this given he is the messiah of passive recovery.
IMO for these reasons fully enclosed chillers are not a good option to replace DI. The best option would be a cooling system setup like a home split A/C system with the condenser/fan mounted outside of the building with refrigerant lines running into the evaporator. This allows all heat/noise to be rejected without having to use water cooling system which I promise you is expensive and annoying in and of itself.
Also think about this: If you bought a huge chiller like a 950w or Cryodax 60X youâve got to cool it somehow and using run-to-waste water at 22 gpm is going to get expensive and is just plain wasteful to do. The real solution is to place a cooling tower outside the facility and use that to cool the water that cools the chiller. But if youâre going to setup a cooling tower to reject the heat from your chiller and go through the trouble of plumbing it into the building, you might just as well setup a split chiller system with an external condenser right off the rip. I can almost guarantee that this will be significantly cheaper and more reliable.
And we havenât even talked about the number of things that can go wrong with a chiller and knock you offline until itâs repaired. So many moving parts and theyâre often crammed into the chiller case to make it an all-in-one unit.
@Concentrated_humbold Trust me I feel you on the annoyance of having to make the daily pilgrimage to get dry ice I have to do that too and it takes me about 45-60 minutes round trip. IMO setting up a chiller that will allow you to run like you currently are using dry ice is really only worth it if you can mount the condenser outside you shop and itâs ok to have that type of noise around you. Otherwise you will pay a lot for a chiller (and a cooling loop for it) that doesnât give you anywhere close to the recovery/chilling rates youâre used to with DI and it will be a disappointment.
Iâm not sure about your situation but I would rather take the chiller money and buy a truck/trailer so you can transport much more dry ice per trip. This is what Iâm considering. Shit youâd probably have enough left over to afford a Corken T291. The Corkens are a dream to run by the way and mine is the best extraction investment Iâve ever made.
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Because the sale price is the same whether someone goes to bizzy or someone else for the same chiller.
Pro refrigeration is by far cheaper but been hearing rough things about their chillers too.
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Honestly to be able too see them run, ive never bought a chiller this big and really donât know that much about them. Bizzy doesnt matter to me unless he has one that would work for what i need and i can pay on the spot. Other than that im open to the best chiller for the price period. I could mount it outside if i wanted too but as it stands im getting by just fine, more of a curiosity and if its a fit perfect if not its just another place ive been.
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yea , well said.
im constantly amazed at the impact of IG âcloutâ has on folks. The whole Hubers being for "# ballersonly " thing has worked surprisingly well in recent years. A huber unistat is for doing actual chemical processing where, precision temp control/sensing/regulation is a life or death situation or big $$ lost due to off spec rxn. And running them like most folks do for CLS operation is rather hard on em too.
I dont think this hype will last much longer.
I also wonder how much longer -40C and below will be the standard for top shelf concentrate mfg. The difference in CAPEX and OPEX b/t -20C and <-40C is significant. Ive noticed very little difference if any on product qualities between the two extremes on dry bio runs at least.
Interested to hear opinions on <-40C for live resin vs dry bio.
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