Samples won’t be wasted,if you are worrying about wasting oil , you may just fill half gram, give it a try and let us know you like or dislike it. And you can compare to yours if possible. At least our batteries look very similar. 
I haven’t seen that pointed out earlier but it is something I had thought about it in terms of how these carts perform from the first hit how quickly the heat would be retained so the oil flows a little bit more freely.
I haven’t been here long enough to have seen or taken notice of your earlier posts but the fact some guy got taken to task in another thread lol talking about your carts…I say QBD needs to pay attention to the feedback you have just provided.
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McDonald’s burger vs a mom n pop burger joint burger. The McDonald’s burger is designed to be supplied enmasse with the worst of the worst employees making the burgers under a very broad spectrum of environments. It’s cheap and reliable.
Mom n pop burgers are usually cheap too, but they source their ingredients from smaller or more local places and usually provide much less scale and a greater level of customization. Doesn’t mean it’s better but they are targeting a more niche clientale vs McDonald’s.
@square_root_pharms I am sorry that is not a good example. It is a valid argument in other cases however in this case it can’t even be considered.
There are no legit mom n pop ceramic factories independently being run by small businesses. There are no small mom n pop assembly lines. There are no mom n pop quality control departments. This model simply can’t be scaled. Definitely, no mom n pop shop running R&D.
It’s like saying mom n pop can make a better iPhone or your favorite 80" flat screen tv. Can it be done? yes, maybe they will finally produce 10 of them in a month. It can’t be scaled and it won’t be better. Just no way.
mom n pop places don’t create eco systems.
In this case with cartridges especially from CCELL, AVD etc you can’t just randomly become a distributor because they are just producing millions of sub-standard cartridges. Through their very limited distribution network where the product is changing multiple hands and multiple hands are making a profit.
For small players it becomes expensive. However, if it wasn’t for the distributors they wouldn’t be able to access quality products from mom n pop shops. None of these places would be able to support more than 1 or 2 brands or sometimes even 1 brand.
They would have to grow and spend money to grow.
There is a reason why everyone keeps sourcing knock-offs from China. Those who have the resources and going through millions of cartridges buy the real quality checked products at a price where they aren’t thinking of knock-offs.
The same knock-offs people swear by…I can literally buy them at .50 cents a pc…sell them for 100% margin and the same people within this community would be happy who already buy them.
However brands and businesses that are selling millions of dollars worth of product everyday don’t buy into the mom n pop concept.
it doesn’t work…it can’t work within this industry. You cant sustain a proper factory or a large brand/business without scaling.
Last but not least you would actually be surprised CCELL or AVD or iKrusher aren’t the ones using the cheapest materials.
Any factory producing these ceramics I would consider mom and pop. You don’t see the smoore factory producing these specialty carts. I’m not saying smoore use the cheapest material I’m saying they use the cheapest material they can to get the quality they need across a broader spectrum. When I say mom and pop I don’t mean a gourmet burger restaurant I mean a fucking shit hole burger joint that has $4 burger. They still use cheap shit but they’re producing these oddball carts or they’re more willing to create customization because they are not at smoore scale
@square_root_pharms however you were right when you said they can do far more customization.
There are a couple of places that provide the raw material to all these micro-small factories with the coils and other materials to put together a look-alike cartridge or other vape hardware.
These places customize those items to their customer’s liking and they have a business.
however this is far from what I was discussing.
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I have visited multiple state of the art Smoore facilities and their research departments. Not only their but others as well. However, there is one place I could never visit. The Smoore ceramic factories. I don’t believe they are open to anyone and they are huge.
Even the knock off guys produce a lot. They aren’t going to be consistent even for a knock off carts if they were made in uncontrolled environment.
Anyways while I agree with the overall points your making it is my opinion they don’t apply here. Smoore is actually one of the most expensive factories to work with. They can source higher quality product at a cheaper rate anyhow. Yes, like any other business they will try to save money wherever possible.
You only need to watch couple of their factory videos and understand what I am talking about. Just cause foxconn produces million of units in masses doesn’t also mean they are producing something quality mom n pop shops can reproduce.
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This is 
correct. All the big factories also produce ceramic. Ceramic is much cheaper than stainless steel, these factories aren’t using it because they think it’s the safest option it’s just cheaper than stainless steel in the manufacturing process. They factories may not put there name on it but they’re making it.
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CCELL is definately underrated even though eveyone here know them .
that’s their top secret,and they just won a sue against 7 of their former employee who produce ceramic coil.
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C Cell is underrated but they don’t push the envelope. They’re a great basic cart although very expensive for what you’re getting.
I used ikrusher for almost 6 yrs, had more reps move on than i had bad carts. Id go to there warehouse when morgan or tom or ivan were there and load up. Never had any problems with there carts, ive been outta carts for about 2yrs so no idea now but ald is the company (or use to be) that made ikrusher carts
They are a bit over priced but if taking their strict quality control into consideration ,it’s worthy to buy ccell. Just as @Distributionly mentioned,CCELL has the most cleanest production plant for both the ceramic coil and the whole assemble. Their plant is the real GMP standard,not those claimed ones. CCELL is just part of their business, According to their annual report,their gross margin is 53% ,their turnover is over10 billion RMB,nearly 1.55 billion USD.
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Name a hyper successful company that uses c cell.
On some real shit. If you were to recommend me a cart for personal filling/use, what would you recommend ? I know that’s probably asking a lot from you good sir, but there’s not many at your level I can just ask for an honest answer ! Currently use either ceramic or QBD glass’s
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These guys come to mind
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Also if you saw the @COVID-69 post he’s making several hundred thousand a month using genuine CCELLs
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not sure if Select still use authentic CCELL ， but a lot of brands do switch to AVD recently
Let’s just make this very simple. CCELL being the most expensive and technically the most knocked-off cartridge on the planet. Please consider the fact they are selling upward of 20-30 million carts a month. Please do name someone else who even remotely comes close.
Don’t get me wrong. Having traveled to China multiple times to meet them. Wanting to be their official distributor for last 5 years. I am NOT happy with them at all. In fact I dislike their management and their way of doing business.
Yet I continue to have an amazing relationship with other divisions of SMOORE whom I have been working with for last 5 years as well. Including the fact they have made multiple products for us and continue to do so.
CCELL recently did take a hit. They did lose some customers especially to AVD. Which was a good thing. They finally woke up. CCELL upgrading their center post to 316L stainless steel to make sure they don’t fail any heavy metal testing etc.
Hopefully they will make some changes down the line for how their products are distributed. They got too comfortable with their 4 major distributors who have been doing a half decent job at best.
However, to answer another question you asked earlier. If you think there hasn’t been advances in Ceramic coils then you haven’t paid attention to FEELM. It isn’t currently used for thick coils or THC because of how SMOORE functions. This technology is with their OEM/ODM division.
They launched this couple of years ago. I believe they might be doing over a 100 million pods a month using FEELM.
I tested this technology when they first started including up to version 35 when I started using it.
NO single company within vaping/cannabis anywhere in the world spends more money than SMOORE on R&D. That is a fact I would love another company to dispute this.
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I am well aware of the advancements to ceramic coils. What I was trying to say is most of the big successful brands have switched to their own unique devices and away from using c cell. Yes they sell most units I wasn’t trying to disagree with that.
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why does huffing gas get me higher than breathing fresh air and you might figure out the issues here
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