What’s everyone’s take on converted D9?

Well shit

Put it in the south mouth. Boof or bust baby! :sunglasses:

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Interesting subject for sure

Something to consider also is nano / homogenization with lecithin to bypass the liver and go straight into the blood. Who knows what else is bypassing with it

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I’ve heard this recently as well from someone smarter than me too.

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Exo-thc is the main byproduct produced with triisobutylaluminum

Anyone seen any data on the toxicity of Exo?

Its not really studied from what Ive seen

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if that was the case, wouldn’t there be reports of toxicity from the chemical poop soup that is marinol?

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So lame they didn’t actually quantify % purity in that poster…

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yeah id love to see more data

To answer your question though, there’s no reason to assume the impurities in Marinol and in these black market oils are of the same sort, since they were produced through entirely different methods. And despite the impurities in that poster I’m sure the purity is still higher than 99% of the black market oils.

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Run the conversion, clean up the product with chromatography…I don’t see why it’s not feasible to get very high purity D9 conversion product. Sure, it may require some GC and LC mass spec screenings to verify potential unknowns and byproducts that may be present, but if they can be identified and further purified out, it should be the same as just running extraction.

If I can extract and purify Linalool from cannabis, isolate it and create a 99% pure terpene from plant extract vs creating a 99% pure synthetic linalool from organic synthesis… and assuming that 1% does not contain harmful or toxic byproducts, in either scenario, then to me they are the exact same. So it goes with D9 and just about every other small molecule out there that can be both extracted naturally or created through organic synthesis.

At the end of the day something like this is only ever as good as the person performing the synthesis and the due diligence they put into creating a safe synthetic product, but whether or not synthetic itself is or isn’t any better, to me they are both the exact same.

Now…getting regulators to understand the whole situation and making sure proper testing is in place to find these contaminants and identify them…well that’s another story. For all intents and purposes in legal states, it’s probably in their best interest to not allow synthetic D9 until they are confident in the various synthetic processes used and understand the proper contaminants and toxic byproducts that should be tested for prior to allowing it to go to market.

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I think it’s a fools errand even trying to mandate the testing labs to try and catch synthetics… There is no way to know whether some person will invent a new synthesis pathway with a whole new set of impurities and then they will skate by whatever the “old” impurities the labs was mandated to look for.

When a drug is debuted it needs to pass clinical trials showing safety and the synthetic assays must be spelled out in advance. The only reason cannabis products avoided this was because we could say “well people have been consuming them for 10000 years without dying”. We assume that nothing naturally found in the plant is too dangerous. IMO unless a company is willing to go through phase 1,2,3 type trials, synthetic THC should be completely banned.

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I believe it is rather iso-d9-THC.
Exo-thc never exceeds 1.5%.
The other main byproduct can be up to 22%.

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You make a very good point and there is absolutely a very big disparity between pharmaceutical and food grade synthetic products made commercially (and the trials and regulatory hurdles they have to go through to even get to market) and people running D9 conversions in legal or non-legal markets for a compound that is still not even federally legal.

But overall I do agree with your point on the regulatory side that synthetic D9 should not be allowed in the market unless there was some way to confirm how it is done and it was regulated properly (such as you mentioned, going through a long process of trials and studies with a specific conversion method). Considering regulations are all state specific, and you can’t get federal funding for stuff like this…there is very little opportunity to implement synthetic D9 in a safe and compliant manner in the legal markets.

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Pretty sure you can get most of the way there just by doing a lousy job on distillation.

I think this was leaks + too much heat/too few fucks given

Not my work, redistilling does essentially zero to change cannabinoid profile. Probably gonna pass on it given Oregon’s stance on “synthetic” cannabinoids.

Outside chance it was converted…

@Dr_Jebril: any informed guesses on the unlabeled peaks here? The first two are in the vicinity of thcv

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You won’t make iso thc with triisobutylaluminium

It’s not an acid

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We’ve made tinctures, carts and gummies with both. Not much difference in my experience. I am fairly confident a solid clean converted D9 can be made consistently and it will absolutely do the job for 99 percent of folks.

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It’s tested 92% D9 converted liter

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I’m worried about a flavor difference and generally is it safe for me to vape and is it as strong as a traditional liter

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Not only acids can produce iso-thcs.

This COA here do not say that there is no iso-THC.
There are 5% unreported. And it is HPLC-UV.
Who know here if this 92% d9 is not in fact 70% d9 + 22% iso… :confused:

I use a different method, but here it look like GC as well, with similar elution order.

The peak before the d8 should be iso-THC (pehaps together with little exo-THC).
The two peak at the vicinity of d9-THCv seems to be quite systematic of converted products.
There are usually similar species (two peaks) at these same earlier retention times.

The peak after d9-THC is likely not CBG.
There should be a handfull of other minors unknown also (below 0.2% for most).

Edit: @cyclopath I did not paid attention that you are dealing with a distilled natural d9… don’t you ? My comments above applies to converted cbd.

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Smell will definitely be different but not in a terrible way. Potency is really close and it kicks just fine for me

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