I’ve had a triploid pop up in Macv2, macv2bx, vinaigrette which also has Mac1 and snowman in it, bay 11( which doesn’t have Mac) and a few varieties of Wilson.
I’m not saying they’re impossible to get but more breeders have been selecting triploids out of regs to then attempt to propagate for better selective top plants.
They forsure are a rarity in seed form as they won’t even produce much themselves at all in the first place even if they happen to take with the pollen.
well old fart here lol used to match buds. break up
and pass bong back and forth. my friends fave was
skunk mine was thai. was a great combo and high.
i still mix buds. so myself would rather have a bud
of each and mix. than to try and breed the best from
each. but to each there own.
I do this sometimes. It’s what I figure the professionals that focus on crossbreeding do to figure out if a cake and a sweet strain would be good or if earthy and sweet would go good and the effects would match or just give a headache, bug out or negative over positive.
I haven’t had a good ol’ “holy shit I’ve been on the chair that long!!!” kind of couch lock in a while.
Triploid by what criteria?
Did you do a chromosome squash?
Or did it just look weird to you?
Are you equating whorled phylotaxy with triploid?!?
Can you tell by looking at the bananas you buy at the store that they are triploid?
How?
I would expect any strain/chemovar that repeatedly threw triploids to also throw aneuploids and polyploids, and generally just be a mess when it came to sex.
Creating a triploid generally requires crossing a diploid x a tetraploid. Both parents get the job of making gametes correct, but one provides one set and the other supplies two (1/2 of four). Combined, the offspring has three sets.
Getting meiosis correct is then impossible => ain’t no way to divide 3 in half equally (it’s actually dividing 6 in to 4…still not doable on the regular)
Getting a triploid from a diploid x a triploid or triploid x a triploid requires getting meiosis wrong….and while that happens, it seldom yields viable gametes or seed.
I’m absolutely willing to entertain the possibility that I’m wrong here, but I don’t currently believe you know the ploidy level of the plants you are describing.
Convince me.
Or convince yourself: https://bio.libretexts.org/Courses/University_of_Arkansas_Little_Rock/Genetics_BIOL3300_(Fall_2023)/Genetics_Textbook/05%3A_Chromosome_variation/5.01%3A__Changes_in_Chromosome_Number
That would work much better than the fantasy crosses our resident cephalopod is suggesting.
If all the strains being discussed as potential parents were homozygous at all loci, the F1’s might perform as described, but to imagine that crossing two poly-hybrids will yield the sought after phenotype, even if thousands of plants are screened is wishful thinking in most cases.
Y’all are talking about breeding willy nilly like Zonkey Ligers don’t already exist
I’m not saying it’s something normal. You’ve taken this out of proportion. I’ve quite literally agreed with you then entire time, only thing I’ve said is that on occasion it happens to pop up in variations of Mac, I know that they are basically sterile and understand that means little to zero chance of seeding. I’ve quite literally witnessed seeds in my own gardens grow out as triploids. Have I ever tried to make something of them, no. I’m not suggesting anything is possible or not, I’m just stating what I’ve witnessed in my experiences.
I will say though if someone were to attempt to breed with one they will have a hell of a time to get it to take. And even then, then plant could loose the trait through new growths so it’s a pointless semantic to me unless going for a clone.
We literally went back and forth and all I did was agree with you. So atleast there’s some info on them that came of this I guess.
Wishful thinking is still thinking about everything what you want in a strain. Yes maybe crossing Sweet Tooth with Wedding Cake is wishful but it doesn’t mean the people who say what they want don’t know what they want.
So eventually the proper science can be applied by those wishful thinkers but for now dropping the strain names that people want crossed isn’t a bad thing or pointless or a waste of time.
Like crossing Juicee J with Sweet Tooth and then crossing that result with Wedding Cake.
I guess this thread was more the strains you’ve smoked and want crossed because you’ve noticed similarities in effects, taste and potency and wouldn’t mind a plant that captures those.
This thread is wishful thinking.
I wasn’t like hey guys what’s the scientific aspect of growing these pollinators that you love the most, I was asking what strains you want crossed.
What evidence are you using to determine “triploid” is all I’m asking.
Chromosome squash is the gold standard. There are others, but all are dna based as far as I know.
No disagreement there. Not trying to harsh your buzz either.
Simply stating that @Lrus007 has a decent strategy, and most “strains” out there are F1 x F1 xF1, so crossing any two together will give a huge array of phenotypes…
Because many reading along didn’t get any real genetics training in school.
When a respected cannabis breeder (no names) doesn’t understand what allelic means, it tells you something about the state of the art.
The visual representation and growth patterns of the plant itself. As well as when I’ve done a pollination it was the only plant that didn’t catch seeds, this was a Jack Frost cbg
“Necessary but not sufficient”
Or “expected, but not diagnostic”.
Aka the “correct” answer to
…but only because we already know they are triploid
Such as?
The one i had didnt grow pistils, only stigmas. It was quite obvious during flower
Peach Ringz
x
Falcon 9
Bumping: Sugar Shack is another winner and literally tastes like sugar like seriously one of the best tasting most present tasting cannabis strains out there. CropKingSeeds has regular fem seeds and auto seeds.
I will also say that doesn’t mean people shouldn’t try to breed strains that taste extremely good and have a moderate to high potency ratio like 24%thca to 30%thca.
Cakes, Mints and Cookies overtook the Kush, Haze and Piff. We should all be fixing that.
Something called “Highaleah” from the company Straine. It’s 100% if old school piff came back into circulation with modern day specs.
Specs and pic of a nug:
100% needs to be bred with more strains. Like Captains Cake or Bubba Kush.
Cuban Black Haze crosses were knocking on the door of 40% TAC. I’ve seen a couple Donnie Burgers in that range now too.
