That is what we basically do, just with out a immersion blender
4 grams each, and there is a taste afterwords that needs to be rinsed. Most folks only need one.
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Nvm i missed his post
Both can make air bubbles if you pull them up too high (above surface of mix) and / or don’t avoid vortex’s properly.
I do not recommend either unless you have a very low shear mixing head or you risk shredding the pectin-sugar-acid matrix you have created.
Egg beater is probably a better bet.
While we have a homogenizer, an egg beater, and an immersion blender, we don’t use any of those after adding pectin for fear of shearing our activated pectin.
We have no issues with homogenizing distillate in by hand. We do 100mg distillate in a 5g gummy. 15k gram batches — 4 per shift — 1 or 2 cooks.
Are you adding it in hot & runny?
Is your slurry too thick to mix well? Add sodium citrate to prevent pre gel. You will need more acid as sodium citrate is basic.
Add bitter blocker & possibly more flavor to quell bitter taste.
Are your gummies even in gel strength? If so, you are getting your citric homogenized in well enough. So, I would be surprised if distillate wasn’t unless you weren’t getting it hot & runny before adding.
Do you pour at a consistent brix? Seal at consistent AW? Use distillate of consistent strength? These can have a big impact. Decide which you will do each at and you can back in mathematically to the distillate required for target mg THC.
Homogenization may not be the issue.
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Have you played with any other buffer salts? I’d like to try potassium sodium tartrate like the yellow pectin uses
dilute your distillate before adding. which is in most of the gummy threads.
so see: Gummy thread (this isn’t it! links inside)
…and I would call your dosage irresponsible. especially when lacking homogeneity
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I suggested to OP they try smaller molds with smaller doses but putting more product in 1 bag. Maybe 10 13.5mg gummies for example.
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Thank you for the detailed analysis, I should have clarified a few things. These gummies are made with fruit puree,OG cane sugar, glucose syrup, citric acid, and Apple Pectin.This report of a hot gummie is probably 1 in 500- 1 in 1000 odds. We are typically making 500 at one time. I sell these D to C, and have alot of facetime interaction with my customers, so i know when this typically happens. Im just trying to make it never happen, if thats possible. I am doing 66 grams of distillate per (500) 4 gram gummies, or 4 ml gummies. The taste isnt the issue so much as wanting to achieve consistent results 100% of the time. As for gelling, im not sure. There is the occasional runny gummie or slightly wet gummie, but overall they are 97% even. Slowing the gelling down could help! We have been working to make them more heat stable for shipping, but that is a different topic.
So ive been reading up on brix, and dont have a way to measure such , but there is a difference in the stability from fruit to fruit. Im not sure what AW is? As for the consistent strength of the distillate, I buy one liter at a time from a trusted friend, can the strength vary that much within a single liter of distillate? It is added when it is hot and runny , and then mixed and quickly poured. Thank you for all the thoughts so far!
My consumers are use to taking 135mg per serving, so the solution would have to increase 10 fold, thus not making it cost effective. I offer this 10 pack at $15, and a 40 pack at $50.
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Well Im trying to find out if it is a homogeneous issue, and this is 1/500-1/1000 odds, and while I could offer a lower dose, and a higher price, im trying to provide this as an affordable sleep aid, and that is what 95% of my consumer wants. I have a 10mg gummie for folks that want that. I make it very clear on my packaging that these are very strong gummies. I have thought about lowering the dose, but as stated 95% of consumers seem to find relief at this rate. Irresponsible is selling D8 gummies as CBD gummies, which is what pretty much everyone else is doing🤷♂️
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I have not.
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Lose the fruit puree & switch to natural flavors.
Switch from Apple Pectin to Citrus Pectin. Apple Pectin is not recommended for gummies.
Then I would imagine you are getting the occasional clump, or probably more likely – your consumers’ physiology is just more susceptible to stronger effects than usual here & there. Consequence of offering what I would consider an irresponsibly high dose.
That math checks out on a basic level if there is no excess slurry & no shortage of slurry – makes 500 exact.
Side note: 1g does not typically equal 1ml with gummy slurry.
Tough w/ puree & apple pectin.
Use HM slow set 60-65 ester pectin. Sodium citrate to stop pre-gel. Crank temp up 10-15 degrees when you add citric. Heat your molds in oven before laying them out. Use lowest citric acid concentration you can to achieve gel. More sucrose, less glucose.
Great Atago refractometers are ~$250 & well worth it. Get one that can properly measure in the 70’s & 80’s SS range & at high enough temps.
Water Activity. Package below .65 AW. If you package above .7 AW, they will mold. AW meters are ~$5k-$6k.
Can get by without – if gummies get moist after sealing, you see droplets on sides of containers, sugar coating melts into gummy… you are at risk of mold. Unseal, re-sugar, and dry some more.
It can vary within the liter. Probably not enough to be the source of this issue. Certainly varies within the batch. Still probably not the source of your issue.
Another note.
I’m guessing you aren’t using a PH meter. You will want one for sure. Target PH depends on brix you pour at & sugar makeup, among other smaller factors.
Generally 3.2 - 3.6
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Wow,Thank you. Im going to have to go back to the drawing board. I have had no issues with mold, and I get where the irresponsible part of this is coming from, but I have people that seem to need that. Is it irresponsible to offer this, even when I have a lower dose gummy available?
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Does anyone use a low temp (80 degree) dehydrator to address moisture?
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If they’re not ALWAYS the dose you say they are?
Sometime WAY higher?
Not quite on the same level as fentynal to their heroin and call it good, but still bad form.
All the same (homogeneous dosing), and high dose only sold to those that have explicitly requested them, after demonstrating the can deal with 50-100mg (or at least claiming they can), would be the place to start imo.
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To clarify you were thinking I was referencing THC, I am NOT. These are full Spectrum CBD gummies. The people taking these know what they are taking , and it is not certain it is a homogenous issue, as it could be a consequence of a strong gummy, and peoples metabloism and hydration changing from day to day. I have warnings to keep away from children, consult your docotor if you are on medications, stay hydrated, start with half if you dont know your tolerance, and wait 3-6 hours, and
dont operate machinery under the influence.
Please dont talk about those synthetic drugs that are killing people in reference to this plant extract.
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Yep, my bad. Poor reading skills & only registered “some get really high”. Not an expectation with CBD
If some folks are getting a rocket ship ride, then they are getting substantial THC.
have you tested your input distillate yourself to confirm the coa that came with it?
Have you had any of your gummies tested?
It’s unlikely, but not impossible,that you’re making D8
You also asked via DM for refs.
See: First reported death due to CBD drug interactions, brace yourselves
As a starting point
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That crossed my mind but they are tested, and no ones getting a rocket-ship ride, it brings on anxiety. I will be the first to say you can absolutely take enough to have a change in perception, for me I can even get the giggles around 600mg , and have consumed up to 1500mg at once. Everyone acts differently to CBD, and the main purpose in this was to find if there was a better way to homogenize the mixture. Which seems that it probably is as homogenized as its going to get.
As for the reported death, I believe that was with CBD isolate since it was in spray form. It is my understanding the full spectrum doesn’t have that implication, but I still instruct users to consult their doctor if they are on medications.
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“full spectrum” means WHAT to you?
CBD distillate? (previously meant RSO?)
there is ~4-5% THC in there! they are presumably getting high off the THC.
are you diluting your distillate before adding it to your mixture?
did you follow the links provided and LOOK for suggestions on HOW to achieve that
No? then you are NOT
here is ONE of the many ways that might be achieved…
and another.
you can find at least two more options if you go look at the protocols others have shared…
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what are you proposing as a protective mechanism here?
it’s wishful thinking…
why not? it’s a discussion that needs had.
there are folks spraying synthetic cannabinoids on hemp and selling it. addictive and potentially lethal…
there are folks selling liters of “d9” that they’ve cooked up from CBD in their kitchen at home. it CAN be done right, it often isn’t.
just because it’s “weed” does not mean it is safe.
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