I used to have a similar option to you. I was just ignorant. We can go on for days about the back and fourth im not here to argue with you. Its was the same hwne d8 came out and people said no it’s bullshit and illegal but look where we are no in a multiple billion dollar industry. There is still people dying on their sword arguing about this.
I was one of those people for thca, working in medical cannabis back in 2011 and then moving to hemp I bascially said it doesn’t exist. But then you see that is does. I literally just got a report from first citizens banking highlighting thca is the most dominant cannabinod.
North Carolina is literally the hub for d9 thca and it wont be changing. Get a lawyer where you can argue your case that is how to do it. It’s all about intent. As far as I concerned what we are doing is 100% legal and the lawyer back that. Yes there is some states where it’s changed and yes it looks like it may be banned federally but maybe it wont. Adapting in this space is crucial for success.
When the banks call for your thca business you dont tell them it’s not legal.
It’s next to impossible to achieve. Someone has to pay. Some one has to monitor. I think banning clearly fake products like cookies and jungle boys would make sense.
I understand and respect the hustle. Lawyers are not scientists. They are hired by people like MC Bret to convince law makers to make their hustle legal for a while. Eventually… hopefully, the laws find a reasonable and logical balance when industry trade groups lobby to change dumb rules. The ASTM and @Cassin are doing wonderful job at talking to law makers, and bringing reason to the table. I’m not sure what their stance is on this issue, and I am certainly interested. I don’t want to argue with your skirting the law… since I really don’t care and would be a hypocrite to chastise.
Unfortunately the hemp game brings a lot of marketing disambiguation and terminology manipulation which is tiresome. THC-A products USED to mean things like Resin, Rosin, Shatter, etc. in a solid dab-able form. Now its a loophole term used to sell conversion, or a cover to sell cannabis products, or are just fully falsifying their product formulation.
Thats a great question. If your goal is inhalation of suspended crystals, I would not want to vaporize. I’d opt for a dry-powder inhaler with crystals finely ground to an appropriate and consistent size.
The problem is vaporizing is introducing heat in order to bring particles into an aerosol. That heat far exceeds the decarb temperature. If you wanted to suspend a “badder” or mixture of thca and d9 into aerosol without decarbing it further, there is no commercially available device to my knowledge(and I look often).
As you know, one can certainly nebulize the cannabinoic acids. Perhaps to help clear Covid in the case of CBDA…but THCA you are not going to get highl. The only thing you get , is get rid of idiopathic pain..a some PPAR gamma activation!
Thats the fact your failing to understand. If the product is primarily THCa in the vape and the part that isnt thca came from actual THCa….. What is being sold is THCa vape. When the customer heats it up. It goes thru a phase change. Still remains the same at purchase this was a thca vape.
This sounds like a horrible idea. Not only that but without heat….. Then non decarded thca dont get you high. I eat thca daily for inflammation. I eat a gram 2-3 times a day. Do you know how high id be if i ate 2-3g of thc daily.
the fact your talking about suspended crystals and inhaling a non-decarbed powder and expecting to get high tells me you need to do a bunch more research in this area. good luck
For me the issue has always been customer choice and accessibility. That means honesty in labeling and supporting folks where they are economically and territorially.
Well of course @ProEndo got a note indicating that THCa is the most dominant cannabinoid. The plants makes it and unless you are intentionally growing a plant to not make it (and even then a little is often still present) it will be there. And from a grower/consumer standpoint most folks (not all but most) are asking for THC - which comes from THCa.
I think @Killa12345 is spot on in their usual way. <3 I’ve been trying at ASTM for a couple years now to have a classification document which says things like “how much X must be present for a thing to be called X”. That doesn’t exist right now except for saying - how much D9-THC has to be in something for it not to be hemp.
Those kinds of classifications don’t usually happen until we have regulated/taxed commodity driven international markets. We are on our way to that (excluding the US because we cannot get our heads out of our ass in Congress) around the globe.
It is 100% possible to grow high THCa hemp within the US laws/rules on cultivar selection and intentional harvest date control. That material (based on several court cases…) can then be utilized to do all kinds of downstream products. These are established facts.
Because they are established facts and prohibitionists do not want you to have access there is active movement in Congress at the federal level to take the ability to do that work away. It started two years ago. Trump signed it into law last year in the CR. There are four bills trying to change that, which may or may not make it anywhere.
Legislators are political beings. If they are not hearing from you about why we should leave these products where they are - then they are only hearing from prohibitionists. People are out there lobbying both sides heavily. The prohibitionists are winning, IMO, mostly because what they are saying aligns with the ridiculous reefer madness bullshit of the last 100 years. So its easier to make your case when you are a prohibitionist.
There are. And because of the proliferation of a bunch of products of differing levels of quality - law enforcement is pissed the fuck off. Because they are contending with parent with kids that are getting sick, people dying (very small amounts but true), intense organized and violent criminal organizations, and the very real issue of political folks wanting to look good for the papers.
For decades looking good meant arresting folks and parading them around. They are back at that right now. Beyond that - the thing that is really hitting traditional market and hemp operators is civil asset forfeiture. And boy is law enforcement glad about that. Historically this had been a not small amount of $$$ for them. Then some laws changed and made it harder. So bringing that back - having documentation being sloppy on both sides of the coin, means they have so many incentives to come and take your stuff and your freedom.
So yeah - can you do the thing. Maybe. I’ve seen some stupidly compounded THCa products - that I would never consume but which might, maybe be compliant at least on paper.
But all those go away in November unless everyone can stop bickering and get their shit together and beg Congress to stop the fuckery. Because really the plant is the plant. Access to the plant is wanted by most citizens. And them continuing to deny that reality is most likely due to dogma and generational stigma. The plant was never dangerous - but certainly poorly formulated products are.
“If you are selling a product that will turn to d9 when heated, you can’t call it compliant hemp products.” Have you even read the hemp bill your hating on so hard? You just described a legal, compliant hemp product.
your efforts fail because of statements exactly like this ……
once we pretend high thca hemp is not only cannabis sativa but the same cannabis sativa sold as medical cannabis….. then whos gonna take you serious.
My only argument above is there are such things as THCa vape pens. There are plenty of labs i know making it. Whether the vendor is trying to jump into the hemp loophole is a whole different arguement.
I love the hemp boys accidently sorta legalized cannabis federally. I love people have access to super cheap medicine where they couldnt get it as easy as 20 years ago. Are 90% of these products BS. Yes. But thats when you learn to make it yourself.
This whole pretend thing of legal THCa hemp is a joke though which is why people are hard to find regulation
I guess where we differ in opinion is terminology.
In my opinion, if someone wants to sell a THC-A device under the guise of hemp, it should theoretically output THC-A(which obviously doesn’t get you high) and has medical benefit.
If someone is sell a THC-A to get you high in the Cannabis market, it would obviously convert to d9 and get you high(dabs).
That’s exactly the point! If THC-A is compliant in hemp, you should be inhaling it and not d9. I never said its a good idea or enjoyable- just how to do it. Dry-powder inhalation is well established for pharmaceutical drug delivery via inhalers.
Couldn’t agree more.
I guess being a stickler for terminology, I don’t believe there are many, if any, actual THC-A vapes that are on the market. I don’t consider 30% THC-A in a live resin cart to be a THC-A cart. I would consider 70% THC-A in a Live resin cart to be a THC-A cart. It should be the dominant compound.
I have yet to use a cart that can handle 70% THC-A. Only open vaporization systems like puffco.
You know better than that. When a customer buys a “THC-A” vape and heat its up, it decarbs, then vaporizes. You’d go Solid(THC-A)→Decarb(goodbye Co2)→liquid(D9)→phase change(vaporization)→D9 Aerosol(D9 particles & gas). There would be a moment of phase change for THC-A but for all practical purposes, its D9. Vapes can run >250C, far hotter than needed for instant decarb. The consumer inhales D9, not THC-A. Thats what they are buying.
There are. I dont know what brands they are white labeling for. But i know multiple traditional legal manufactures in multiple states with formulations just like that.
there are members here making real thca vapes. if they want to speak up they will. None of these are hemp brands… Or pretend to be. They are making products for the biggest mmtcs in the US
