This is some hemp bill bs right? I just had a consult asking me about how to formulate THC a vape pens and I had to look at them like he was fucking speaking French. THCA is white powder not yellow goo
Am I slow (probably) or is this a thing now that I’m not up on.
Your consult doesn’t understand the product he is asking for. There is no such thing as a THCA Vape. Some scummy hemp bill bois sell “THC-A Vapes” that have little to no THC-A. They are scamming regulators and consumers. The highest levels I’ve seen in carts without auto-crystallizing is about 30-40%. The crystals that form will clog up any vape hardware with one or two exceptions(and you’re not looking at them). You typically need very high terpene levels, some fatty acids, and other compounds that inhibit crystallization to hit those levels. As you said, THC-A is a crystal and only really manifests itself as liquid under very particular situations which we almost never see post-extraction.
Yeah this guy was talking about wanting to avoid decarb to not lose volume and I immediately felt like he was not making stat based on the reality of how things are done. This was licensed adult use cannabis
Despite the technical 11-12% mass gain from CO2, the economics don’t really work that way. D9 has become so cheap to produce and conversions drove prices even lower. Your savings of going straight to D9 exceed whatever you’d gain from having an extra 11% CO2 from non-decarded. Its also going to be 11% mass of only the ~30% non-decarbed(assuming you don’t want crystals).
Lets say your consult(who is probably cheap considering the ask), is using botanical terpenes.
10% terpenes, 50% d9, 10% minors cannabinoids, 30% THCA cut. Congrats- you now cut your product with 3.3% CO2. Not getting rich off that scheme.
I would think a mole ratio of 3 thca to 1 myrcene might do. At room temp it would set up as a viscous eutectic fluid, but as the heat is applied would quickly liquify and decarb. Not unlike pressing trichomes for rosins. The temp ramp up might be important in design of pen. Think about hitting up fresh trichomes in a pipe . Consider the DSC thermal graph for THCA we just revisited. Then once decarbed, you have to boost that liquid thc phase to vapor. 160C plus. The cart might start out as the 3:1 eutectic mixture but after use it would change a bit. I think it would require a redesign of the cart heating mechanism.
There are plenty of actual thca vapes and also plenty that are just d9 and people are being lied to.
Live Resins are a good place to start. There are plenty of ways to active a thca product which is below .3 d9 with thca .
Combining different cannabinods to avoid crystallization is also possible.
But yes there is so much bullshit out there. However it is possible to have complaint thca grown under usda farms in the usa .
where? I’ve only seen it in pg/vg or with fake lab testing
the THCa distillate is the most egregious I’ve seen yet
Thca distillate is primarily cbd distillate with thca included yes there are caps on this before it crystallizes but that’s what it is.
Live rosin and live resin are primarily complaint upon extraction. Blending cbda with those products helps tremendously.
The THCa distillate I’m talking about just has the potency page swapped out for an edited one that shows it was like 70-90% d9 and not THCa at all, that’s what I see being sold on reddit primarily
One company had separate COAs for each part of the panel, scanning them showed the URLs were in sequential order and you could see that one they skipped over and fill in the blanks
This is the problem. What you are describing is a scam. There is no such thing as a compliant THC-A vape. CBD with THC-A included is CBD, not THC-A. This issue has been beat to death beyond needing to be addressed again… but here we go.
In order to qualify a product as “THC-A” vape, it would have to be predominantly THC-A or that should be the key active ingredient. What is being sold as “THC-A” vapes are either backed by fraudulent COAs, have THC-A as a minor percentage, are skirting recent laws. @extractionguy is not a congressional lawmaker-he does not give a shit about people justifying breaking the law because lawmakers don’t know science.
And what happens when you heat those products? What about states that explicitly state that compliant goods are tested post-decarb?
If you are selling a product that will turn to d9 when heated, you can’t call it compliant hemp products. Its regular ol’ weed product. I’m so happy this legal bullshit is finally going to end with law changes, but I’m not holding my breath.
This is obviously not including ACTUAL thc-a vapes, like from puffco, carta, divinetribe, etc.
To my knowledge, aside from the Dabgo by Artrix and copy-cat devices, there is no pre-loaded consumable dabbing product available to mass markets. Those devices(dabgo and the like) are horrible, taste like ass, and you will inhale terrible compounds so I don’t recommend them.
No, there are not. Unless you are talking about puffco, dabgo, or something like that. If it looks like a liquid, its NOT THC-A vape. It may have small amounts of THC-A but that is NOT a THC-A vape.
What @moronnabis is describing is at a much higher level than what producers are actually making right now. Extremely fascinating and I’d love to learn more!
I mentioned it before
Not sure if anyone followed up on this nor did I
But there seems to be a massive difference in crystallization speed of the cooh and the basic coo- molecules
naw bro… the live rosin hhc wins that battle!
It’s possible. We have the technology
There are ways to heat and liquify it without fully decarbing and keeping it majority thc-a. 
It fits the name.
There needs to be moderation on this forum for people selling look a like product. I halfway get it, but people are getting finessed.
either way its all fucked in november
I personally don’t care either way. I’m just saying there are formulations of liquifying thc-a without decarbing too much thc-a where there is still a majority of thc-a in the product and all the thc in the product is from thc-a too.
I think single source thc-a carts with less than 15% thc is still a thc-a vape. Especially when the terps are from live as well.
A lot of hard earned $ can be stolen from the hands of MMJ patients between now and then.
DM me, I’m interested.
Yes, you could definately have THC-A in a liquid suspension or carrier. You could melt it. However, the thermal load needed to bring it to aerosol will 100% decarb it. The exceptions would be ultrasonics/acoustic wave, maybe some sort of electromagnetic wave, maybe electrostatic. There are no commercially available/widely used vapes that work on those principles for cannabis. If someone is asking for a THC-A vape for their elfbar clone device, they probably are not going down those roads. Also changing the physical state would be some nice chemistry that professionals like @moronnabis or @Roguelab can do, but it still doesn’t discount the decarb issue when talking about hemp products. For a compliant dispensary sold product, I think it would be a very cool new twist on vapes- but the formulation isn’t commercially produced to my knowledge.
This is for sure happening. I did hear of a larger bust recently in CA where they were jist putting d9 in there thca pens. Some like that risk. I think it’s crazy. But here we are.