i would feel horribly silly starting that thread as its a topic i am not too familiar with, but I really wanna know your story
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@Roguelab is an enigma. Some of his stories are what movies are made of! Hes like the European dos equis man. The more you learn the less you know! LOL
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@Roguelab is probably the most interesting man in the world… irl. If you ever need a biographer, good sir, I’m happy to help!
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He doesn’t normally leak sops, but when he does they are for thc remediation on the cheap.
Truly the worlds most interesting man if that happened
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done!
What would happen if someone stupid/curious will use zeolite/resins in packable distillation head?
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I think misinformation being put out by the various subpar laboratories is so rampant that many companies believe they’re working with a reputable lab either by default or because they’ve compared one low quality lab to another poor quality lab.
To answer your question, yes, revealing the methodology would reduce its efficacy. If the industry knows such a method is available and being used then it would theoretically reduce the chances of material switching occurring.
So yes, it would be quite useful having the reputable processors validate the methodology. It could be used to identify the bad actors in the remediation space and then continue to maintain a higher quality standard for the remaining remediation companies.
Obviously, the standards of the industry must go up in order to help eliminate the bottomless pricing floor, raise the average quality, and start revealing to the regulators and public that we are capable of self-regulating. KCA Labs would like to help move the industry to that new normal.
I disagree that keeping it to yourself will improve the overall situation.
If you’re the only lab in the country who has that secret, then 99.9+% of folks wont have access to it.
How will that make any significant reduction in material switching?
The only reason to keep the method secret would be that it is trivially circumvented if known.
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I assume we’re the only lab with that ability for now, but we have only recently found a reason to offer the service. The method is adopted from our scientists’ sports anti-doping experience.
Preventing bad actors from circumventing the method is at the heart of the non-disclosure. If they knew what to look for then there is no way ensure it remains reliable.
validated how?
against which remediation methods?
and it’s trivially circumvented?
from an anti-doping stand point, a $100 genome sequence can confirm that the sample is derived from the individual being tested. I don’t seen that technique working particularly well in this case.
Nor do I see any way to use initial cannabinoid ratios to prove that the returned cannabinoids are derived from the material submitted for remediation. The whole point of remediation is to alter those ratios. Given the number of different approaches to modifying those ratios, and what I would assume is a huge variation in the skill of those applying said cannibinoid ratio modifying techniques, I’m dubious on claim that you can tell if the material returned is related to that submitted without detailed knowledge on the method applied to any given sample.
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Are you sure you’re not just misidentifying a peak that looks like d9? We’ve seen people with triple quads going the other way, rather than proving it is d9 the triple quad can prove it isn’t d9… along with careful chromatography.
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only if it is being widely used…
so your plan is to run all the labs?!?
useful? Or mission critical?
My favorite color is “see through”, pretty sure I’m not alone in my desire for transparency.
Are you willing share how many samples you’ve actually validated your super secret lie detection test against? Or how you independently identified “liars”?
neither of which actually require revealing your method…
doing so would make your claim of “we can tell” sound a lot less like “we think we can tell”.
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We’re as sure as we can be at this point. We have seen some odd peaks that still need some work to identify, but we’re running remediated samples on LCMS-MS.
The validation is mission critical if we’re actually going to market it as an actual service beyond what I’m typing here.
You’re right, we would want to know the remediation technique. We’re certain it will work with convergence and closed loop.
We need to understand if it is worth scaling to apply to entire batches or to use it as an initial blind check when assessing a new or existing remediator.
I just asked my scientist working it and he said we’ve done it three or four times so far.
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Thank you!!
Example of “this looks wrong” that looks to be wrong…
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i like the idea of adding trace elements or something inert to track batches
now back to you elite scholarly gentlemen spoon feeding us bread crumbs that probably lead nowhere or you wouldn’t even hint at a hint
whats it gonna cost for one of you little hustlers to send me a sop you aquired in whatever manner you did? I know dozens of you on here have a few proven methods.
who wants some free money for forwarding me an email or sending a few screenshots?
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i don’t like the idea of adulteration period
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This is what happens when you mix
money
and
Medicine
You get
Impurities
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You know there’s a published patent on this
Its not as simple as just filtering with alumina and carbonate though
I have the patent and the link to it
(This is what they were doing to make complient crude at Extractech, they were able to take crude with 3% thc a in it and reduce it to .19 with just filtration and a special extraction method)
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Patent link?