A processing buddy of mine recently ordered a Kilo of THC-O acetate from a reputable CBD / D8 supplier. Against my advice, he dove deep into without getting a sample product in and assuming customers want it.
I have plenty of experience with other cannabinoids, but found out about acetate a few weeks ago. I am making this post to see if anyone can answer any questions i have about it and tell me more about wtf this guy purchased!
The biggest red flag to me is the lab test that came with it. It says 1% d8 distallate and ND for every other cannabinoid tested.
I guess my first question here would be how hard is it to test for THC-o right now? Is it difficult but possible or only available at a few experienced labs kind of difficult? The COA looks EXTREMELY shady to me
Going off of that, this mystery distillate is pretty unique but also throws off another red flag to me. This oil is clear and transluscent and refracts the light in a much more distorted way than the kilos of d8 i have handled. However, in the video following this paragraph you can see that the oil has an incredibly low viscocity. It moves instantly and when inside a cartridge flows like a vape juice. Incredibly thin, which follows up to my next question,
What should the consistency of THC-o be like? Thick and firm like d8, or runny like CBC?
The consistency is like a cross between runny but maleable mother liquor i have handled and runny CBC.
Now, I have personally tried the oil. I dabbed it straight up when I got there and noticed a very nice and calming effect set in 20 minutes after, and felt really nice and chilled out with a decent buzz 30 minutes in. I have been mixing it with wax and i do notice that it enhances the effects over time. It seems to have THC-o in it from what i am experiencing, but not sure of the overall concentration.
This is the same thing that i said when i received that COA. I then received this COA from KCA labs that has the peak at the end. Going to grab some samples to try out. Over all though not that impressed yet. Poor shelf life, vinger smell , low viscosity.
I have been reading about that. i should have also me tioned the distillate is oxidizing fast, was water clear when i got it and now is hydratred piss yellow color and has a faint apple cider vinegar odor that is starting to develop. I got it the day the oil came in btw
Cayman supplies an analytical reference standard, so that is a good start. The lab would then have to validate an instrument method. Not hard, but the Cayman standard is not a CRM (not sure if other providers have one) so labs putting an ISO stamp on their COAs wouldn’t be able to include it.
Thank you! i actually got off the phone with my lab and fotunately that already ordered the standard for their equipment and will be able to test early next week! Ill keep you guys posted with the results
My lab tech and i were talking about the shelf life and degreagation behind the THC-o acetate. He was saying that the acetate bond will break off but is unsure what the molecule will degrade into when this happens!
I also forgot to send this picture of water soluble nano infused acetate they sent a sample of. Thats basically how the carts move. Anyone know why this is so milky / cummy looking???
Also, when i made a sample of carts with it infused with other cannabinoids, the solution appeared to look like coconut oil when mixed with ethanol to clean out the container. There were seperated bubbles at the bottom that look like there was coco oil or butter added to the mix, but was just cannabinoids and terps
The acetate needs to be kept dry as fuck in order to prevent hydrolysis, but even then traces of acetic acid (which has a pretty low odour threshold) will show up. Shelf life isn’t actually that bad though. Take a whiff of some aspirin tablets, they all smell like vinegar but still don’t show much decomposition even if stored for ages.
The acetyl bond is far more stable than you suggest. The decomposition product would be ketene not acetic acid. Combustion of almost all biomass produces acetic acid. For the acetyl group to be liberated, it would take an incredible temperature in excess of 300C+ or an immense voltage along the lines of a GC-MS.
So what exactly happens here when the acetate degrades? You said it degrades into ketene, but what about the THC-o acetate itself? Would it convert to another cannabinoid or be plain Thc-o? Thanks for the info so far good stuff in this thread!
