Subzero Conversion Chamber

I spoke with Sub Zero,

The 10L unit costs $8000 and can convert the THC into CBN in 48-72 hours, They recommend a heater capable of 200c or but a 100c heater will suffice. You also need an inert atmosphere provided by nitrogen or argon.

That is all that is required, so i am assuming its just a long heat at set temp free of oxygen that slowly converts the THC to CBN. Maybe some pressure is used (im not sure)

They provided me with before and after COA’s but they were not the most promising with a LOQ of 0.2% THC.
Uodate: See below

Before (TAC=69.75% 2.48% THC 0.27% CBN)

After (TAC=59.59% <0.2% THC, 1.03% CBN)

So a 10% TAC loss and possibly still THC below 0.2% with a bunch of unknowns produced in the process. I would love to see the chromatograph.
What i found very interesting is the CBDa was not fully decarbed when the process was completed.

Disclaimer: Sub Zero did say this particular conversion was not a perfect run and they most likely ran it to long. But, IMO if they are trying to sell a product they would share one of their best conversions and not a less than ideal one to try and sell their product. IMO they should have a proven process and SOP and some very convincing COAS before releasing to market, but maybe some people are fine with low TAC “t-free”

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It’s not CBDa its an isomer for sure. We’ve the same one pop up when overcooking a run in the Delta 9 “harmonic distillation” remediation machine. It will continue to rise in % if you cook it longer.

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Fantastic! unknowns for all! I would imagine the graph looks like a spiky mess.

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I’ll see if I can get one those chromatograms from my tech

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another note:

https://www.subzeroscientific.com/product/thcremediation/42?cp=true&sa=true&sbp=false&q=false

Website says the 10L starts at $25,000. So im not sure why i was quoted 8k but figured i would share either way.

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Below is the chromatogram of what we’ve been seeing post Delta 9 remediation runs.

My tech had this to say about the run:

“The chromatogram below is of the final THC remediated extract. The mystery peak at 3.37 RT is eluding with CBDA. My best guess is that it is some degradation/byproduct of the Delta9 system because during the initialization of the system, the extract is heated and decarboxylates. During this phase, the CBDA peak decreases to a non-detectable level and then will begin to grow as the system continues to run during the remediation phase at higher temperature.”

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Awesome! thanks for sharing! looks like plenty of other mystery peaks as well. Unless this batch had 12 different cannabinoids.

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This batch had CBC, cbd, CBN, CBDV, and a little cbl

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They keep pushing this machine! On FB, on like every group I am a part of they have been spamming the shit out of it

Got any contact info? This is perfect for our throughput

I just spoke with them on instagram but I would assume their website has a contact form.

It did not appear so, I’ll check again

Edit: my bad, it’s on the home page- gotta slow down lol

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Don’t mean to hijack this thread but since most conversion guys will stop by here id figure its best to share here. So with all this hate on crc i thought to myself…maybe these ppl claiming crazy things like convulsions or passing our are not lieing…

Are we converting stuff during recovery in bho by not adjusting our ph to a neutral zone? We are passing through acidic medias. Could it be possible some unknown cannabinoid is being made? What do you guys think?

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Maybe with red hot titanium dab, but I dont think so with normal purge temps

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Bro some people will just hate on your product as a tactic to low ball you.

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IMO Absolutely possible. Mass spec would help a ton.

We have bought one of these chambers and after few tries, we still cannot reach the potency they are talking about. We have tried both distillate (84% CBD, 3% THC) and crude oil (60% CBD and 2,6% THC). After 100 run hours the final material had a composition of 40% CBD and 1,3% THC (crude) and 64% CBD with 2% THC (distillate, after 60 run hours). Either of the materials were dark in color after the remediation and further distillation was needed. The temperature of the reaction was 140 oC and we also run an experiment at 160 oC but without a result. They advised us to use ionized water with a higher pH than 7 but maybe distillated water would be a better option according to some first tests. Has anybody gotten better results than these and do you have any idea of what goes wrong? Thanks!

Welcome to the future @JK_cannagreece! I have no relevant advice, but hopefully bumping the thread might get some answers.

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To be honest, it sounds like it is working as well as one might expect…

Heating up your cannabinoids in the hope that only the evil THC will degrade seems little more than wishful thinking.

Chromatography is probably the correct response to the rule set you’re trying to play by.

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100%

As the original post mentions, it’s tedious and expensive. But it works.

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