Opaline Silica Thread

Per kilogram of biomass, the amount of opaline silica used is 20"³ for amber resin material and 30"³ for brown resin material. The average is about 25"³ per kilogram biomass. This is not accounting for the actual % resin on the biomass… just the level of color bodies.
I calculated that based on the actual inner diameter of a 6" spool, which is 5.782 inches, or 2.891"r² × π × 23" = 604"³… then divided by 20kg of brown resin biomass (30"³/kg) or 30kg of amber resin biomass (20"³/kg).


… Or it can be divided by the average numbers of kilograms per run, about 8kg, divided by the average number of runs, 2.5 (about 20kg), is about 30"³, or up to about 4 runs (32kg) on good stuff, which is about 19"³ per run.

A 4" spool is 3.834" i.d., or 1.917r² × π = 11.545"² , so you only need 1.733" to 2.6" per kilogram in a 4" spool. But remember, I also recirculated the warm solution on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th runs for more contact time (and temperature). Using a longer tube gives you more contact time than a short, wide tube… so even if you are only doing a 1 kilo run, you would be better off using a 1" × 48" or a 1.5" × 24" spool (leaving some room at the top to tie off and wad up your sock)!

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BRF = Brown Rice Flour!
BRI = Boy, Rich’s Indignant!
BRB = Be Right Back!
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BRN = Bring! Right Now!
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I kinda got there a similar way:

Used the avg of 25cu" (of course that can change anytime)

600cu" * 5 = 1 50* bag or 3000cu"

50*453= 22650

22650/3000= 7.55

Volumes is where I went wrong, I was lazy and didn’t put the correct id of the spool. I just used an even 4. (here’s some notes I keep just to show how lazy I was haha)

I actually found that reference for tubing previously, I use it a bunch!

My numbers were very rough, and considerably off. Thanks for the correction, and by this point I feel like I owe you for the lesson!

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It is biogenic. You can search opaline silica chemical in Google and see what people have found.

Opaline silicas dissolve faster and under the chemicals we use. They are not as stable as amorphous silica. I heard someone already put through nmr and all kinds of unknown spikes came up. I would personally not use anything that has dissolution into a solution. At all.

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There’s been warnings not to use this with ethanol for solubility reasons. Is it soluble in hydrocarbons as well?

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I mean if you research before using and have proper protocols in place as well solid sop’s the fine’s shouldn’t be a issue. since starting to use crc ive been very anal about this in the work place. we bought extra respirators(full face) for pre handling. Pre wash everything and use redundancy filters. ive had this concern from the get but it can be completely avoided with PPE,SOP’s, and QC

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I have definitely considered this possibility (with every medium I ever tested), and I can say with 99+% certainty that this material is NOT observably soluble in butane, or probably any alkanes, at all. The 23" level in the sock never dropped (which kinda surprised me, since I figured it would at least settle tighter), and on the initial tests, I was pushing up to 6 runs through the same charge of media. That’s at least 600 lbs of cool solvent from extraction (probably around 450 fresh lbs, total) and well over 2400 lbs of submerged rinsing over at least 12-18 total hours of heated, high flow rate recirculation of 90 to 110°F butane at 50-60 psi! Oh, and this was done at least twice, because the first set needed fresh mol-sieve… so the solvent was about as waterlogged as could be, and neither dry nor wet butane showed any signs of dissolving the silica. All the sharp angles of the granules were still sharp, and field microscopic examination showed no pore size growth, poc-marks, nor any other signs of liquid erosion. There was also no sign of particulate matter or nucleation in any of the resin slabs (except a set about a month later when we got some new guys who were not trained on how to properly pack the cotton ball filter).

I suspect the same can be said for ethanol, even the 190 proof, wet and non-denatured potable stuff!

You may be asking why I did not use mass. Well, I have no idea how much mass of color bodies, pigments, phosphatides, lipids, wax or even desireable parts of the resin like bioflavonoids, water from the extraction, or even leftover butane, might have remained adsorbed to or absorbed within the “clay” after extraction, and even if I rinsed it with acetone, air-dried and cool vacuumed the solvent(s) out for safety, then vacuum baked for the same time and temperature as I did prior to using it, there would still be no definite elimination of any of those variables… not to mention weight loss in dust into the filters and all the container transfers!

Regrettably, it’s just not a very precise science when one is working with room-temperature-gaseous solvents, sticky plant matter and dirt, but I do try my best within (even slightly un-)reasonable doubt, especially where the safety of others is concerned!

Fortunately, that is a much easier and safer test to perform on ethanol… ah, damnit! I lent out my little vacuum oven! Grr!
Well, anyone can do the ethanol/silica solubility test with vacuum oven-dried silica and pure 190 proof potable ethanol, especially now that solubility in cannabis resin and alkanes has been ruled out! You can even microwave it a bit to heat it in the ethanol (only 10 seconds at a time!), reheat, cover and soak for days in excess volume, pre-weigh the vessel and a dry coffee filter and/or cotton ball for use in a funnel to catch the dust mass, etc!
And best yet, you can do a mirror test on the filtered ethanol, to determine if ANY solid residue is left behind! Just filter well and let it settle for an hour or so before sampling with a dropper from the top of the liquid!!

Hey, do y’all remember these?

Those are some test runs in reverse order;
#1 is bottom right run
#2 is bottom middle
#3 is bottom left
#4 top right
#5 top mid
#6 top left

And I knew it was done after run #6, because the starting color from this batch of old trim was not much darker than that, and we had recirculated solution #6 for at least 3 hours! We stopped recovery when the liquid level was about half where it started, so we could continue recirculation another couple hours.

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Thank you for your Christmas gifts, Photon. Now I have a little more idea why you weren’t more forthcoming about those modified EX40 photos I inquired about a few years ago. We were still a few years out from needing to learn about what (some) of those modifications were for.

Thank you for sharing the secrets at last.

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@SamuraiSam

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That’s an interesting improvisation, @Hansel! However, sand is crystalline silica, so it works as a filter aid, but not a decolorant. Also, it should be washed with water, first, to remove any dirt or polar compounds, and probably baked before or afterward above 220°F to kill any microbes and spores! Then it can be flushed with acetone to help clean out any less polar compounds and also to remove the water… but definitely do NOT bake it with acetone in it!

Interestingly, Celite is a brand name of diatomaceous earth (DE), most often calcined specifically for filtration. So although DE is composed of molecularly amorphous (but microscopically structured) hydrated silica, its dehydrated (calcined) form is best for filtration. However, when the raw hydrated DE (sold for killing insects in human grain stores, and as a directly ingestible supplement-like material) is used as a stationary phase in a sort of column filtration of non-polar resin solution, it will chromatographically separate the colors!

Here is a photo of a T-shirt I wear with diatom skeletons on it, to show some of their microstructures:

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@Photon_noir, I personally haven’t done this! @SamuraiSam was asking in another thread about using sand (or something along those lines). I remembered seeing this and figured I would share with him!

Thank you for all the info!

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@Photon_noir have you experienced chromatographic effects with the opaline silica? In other words, does it slow down molecules based on polarity or does it simply adsorb molecules completely until all it’s binding sites are full?

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Got some samples coming myself!

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Anyone found a Canadian supplier for this? Or one that can get some in my hands within a week?

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@Photon_noir

First of all, thanks for everything you do for us.

I don’t see any mention of before and after weight of the media, did you collect that data by any chance? I’m curious about what kind of potential yield loss you experienced with this new media.

Also, how was the flow rate through the 6x26 column (6x23" of media)? Did it require any substantial back pressure like a packed bed of very fine grained media we currently use?

I’m assuming the flow rate was pretty good considering the media is a medium grain size which should flow much better than the very fine grain size of the more common medias currently used.

For anyone who hasn’t figured out what the media is I included some screen shots of what I believe we are talking about.

I think hydrous aluminosilicate is clearly what we’re after based on what Photon has mentioned and the pics he posted. It’s mined in Taft, CA by Agsorb (a subsidiary of Oil Dri) and is also a silicate product. I attached a couple screen shots from the company’s (Agsorb) website.

@Photon_noir mentioned a granule size of 8/30 but I don’t see that listed on Agsorb’s website. They have three grain sizes and I’m guessing he meant 16/30 which is the medium grain size. The second and third screenshots are from the data sheet for that size.

The company actually has a decent website and I suggest going and checking out all the tabs to get complete info.

I would also suggest to the forum that if this is indeed the mineral we are after that we start using the proper name for it: Hydrous Aluminosilicate. I believe this is more specific than saying opaline silica.

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try calling https://www.acklandsgrainger.com

or

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Call oil dry ask for their rep in canada
Ask for a sample they send me 2kg free of charge :grinning:

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So do i have to call oil dri to order this or is it on their website?

Where are you located ?
In general for Europe and Canada
You can call them and they will pass you treu to their representative
Sergio is europes main man for sales
Working out of Ireland
Once you spoken to the representative you ask for a sample for some tests
On organic oil (I didn t tell them :rofl:
What oil ) they will then send a sample by mail

Im in california…

I haven’t tried chromatographic filtration with opaline silica, except in the form of hydrated DE, as shown. I suspect it would yield a similar result, especially since the particle size distribution would be very broad after just pulverizing the granules. That is why the bands are so broad and uneven in the photo, too.

I should mention this was only an experiment with hydrated food safe DE to see what happened. Because it was not genuine chromatography, but a filtration of hexane:resin solution, only the first bit (about 1 column liquid volume) to elute was decolorized due to the chromatographic separation. After that, because the resin was spread throughout the solvent, any subsequent volumes to elute contained much of the color from the preceding volumes… though there did appear to be some permanent absorption, because the column eventually stopped working to decolor at all.

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