480,000 people die a year from cigs. I am not convinced of the argument that its “less than a cig so it’s not the culprit.”
2 cents.
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Agreed. But we are comparing levels frequently consumed that are potentially higher than in a vape cartridge, that didn’t lead to this “illness”, and I think that would be relevant. If 480,000 people die a year from smoking…do any of their lungs have these mustard gas like burns?
I said I don’t know shit, and I’m regurgitating info from one of the other dozen vape illness threads. . Did you miss that part?
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I wasn’t attacking you! Lol 
No I missed that part…my regards.
As far as mustard gas burns - you ever seen a smokers lung 
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Sorry man…much of what I deal with at work is semi confrontational in nature. My attitude from that bleeds through on here at times, I apologize.
I’ve seek the pictures of a smokers lung, and I’ve never heard of the damage from smoking described as a caustic or mustard gas like…but then again…I dont often read about such topics.
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I’m definitely not an expert in this area and my comment will differ from the thread initial subject. One thing that thc vapes do not have in common with nicotine juices and tobacco is the percentage of volatiles. I have the intuition HCN is much less plausible of a cause than terpenes in high concentration. Many of us have seen terpenes corroding a plasticware… Why would they not be doing the same with human tissues?
The death from cigarettes is slow and gradual. This is killing young people. It’s similar, but different.
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It’s just not enough cyanide. You get a similar amount from synthetic B12 among other things.
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That’s a good question. I personally can’t hit more than 10% terpenes comfortably, 12% uncomfortably. What if people are adding 20% terpenes and people are actually trying to vape it? That would fuck me up if I took a few real hits of that.
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Have tried the alpha-bisabolol cuts?
By weight the short answer is about 189 ppm
This might really be the issue as terps are acidic in nature.
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alpha-Bisabolol is definitely not something you’d want to use for a “cut.” Any terpene will be irritating if you try to use too much. alpha-Bisabolol smells milder than most isolates but it would still ruin the taste real quick if you went overboard on it.
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terpenes, terpenoids, esters, ketones, aldehydes, flavanoids etc etc forsure can cause allergic reactions or sensitivity issues within the respiratory system. Theres specific terpenes/terpenoids used for protections against bugs/insects for the foul “scent” while some terpenes/noids are used to ATTRACT bugs/insects-pollinators; so i 110% have always figured that certain “flavor/scent” compounds will mess with CERTAIN people while others might not… comes down to the individuals themselves. its like taking a fat dab of a certain strain/flavor that has too much terps and you have to sneeze while others you can zero the hit…
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That’s a good question. Who has used that floraplex cut that is just terps. I believe, phytol, a-bisabolol, b-bisabolene, and b-elemene. I promise we won’t crucify you for coming out as having used the cut! To his is in the name of science and I would love to know if it hurt to vape
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Just because it came from a plant doesn’t make it safe.
Plants can’t run away.
So many of them have adopted chemical warfare.
Huff that shit and all bets are off…
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They definitely can be respiratory irritants, but what of them would cause mustard gas like effects from the concentrations found in a vape cart? Not that you suggested that, even, but I guess that’s the pertinent question.
@Krative
@stoopkid I was curious myself too. I’ve never used any of the terpene cuts but have heard of them being used at fairly high levels
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I’m gonna juice some poison ivy for the next cart cut.
Anyone wanna try it out?
Lol
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Good addition by MKULTRA
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Whatever is doing it must be there at the percent level.
There are compounds that are capable of causing the reported symptoms at the ppm level but why would something like a nerve gas be there.
Some pesticides do have structures closely related to Sarin or Mustard but …
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