My adventure to IHAM.

Wanted to share this with you guys as I am sure you will find it interesting.

So after someone else posted about the IHAM hemp auction at Franklyn, TN, I decided to trek up from Florida to go check it out even though there was only one day left.

I figured even for one good contact the 12 hour drive each way would have made it worth it, however I really went for the learning experience.

On the way over there I got pulled over by a Florida State Trooper. Apparently, I was tailgaiting too close to a tractor-trailer and a female cop decided to pull me over.

She was actually very nice and was going to just let me off with a warning, but things went south when she asked me where I was going.

For a moment, I paused to think about what I was going to tell her, I have multiple businesses so I could have said a number of things …but… I decided to tell her I was going to a Hemp auction in Tennessee. I wanted to see how a State Trooper would react to hemp overall.

It pretty much went how I though it was going to go. There is another post on here where somenthing similar happend to hemp farmer once the cop found out they were in the hemp trade. Her entire demeanor changed after I mentioned hemp.

She asked me to get out of the car and asked me if I was carrying marijuana. The entire conversation became about marijuana and that if I was carrying any that it was OK.

I told her that I dont understand why she brought up MJ when all I said I was going to a hemp auction which is a legal product federally and in florida.

She then asked me for my permission to search the car. I declined. She asked why would I decline if I have nothing to hide. I then asked her do you like it when a stranger go through your personal things or do you like relinquishing your civil rights just because some stranger asks?

She didnt like my response and called back up. After back up arrived, she pulled out a K9 from her vehicle and started circling my vehicle. She went around twice and the dog sat down in front of drivers side rear door.

She then informed me that the dog alerted to the presence of narcotics and they escorted me to the back of one of the patrol cars.

I sat in the back of the patrol car for over an hour as they searched every nook and cranny of my vehicle.

Of course, they found nothing, but during the whole affair, I kept thinking that these guys were going to plant something on me. It was a very uncomfortable feeling.

Lesson learned. Don’t bring up hemp if you don’t have to. There are a lot of ignorant cops out there.

After that the road to IHAM was uneventful. The actual event was pretty empty.

Nothing much sold.

They had two lots of crude with no actual samples present. That was pretty much it for processed hemp.

The biomass that did sell sold for 60 cents a pound.

Most sellers had a reserved of $2.00 and when buyers heard the starting bid they just walked away.

I managed to speak to two Police Officers that were present. They were standing next to a bale of biomass as I was inspecting it. I spoke to them and said, you know, it looks a little bizzare watching you two officers stand right here with me looking through this big bag of bud.

They laughed and one officer said “Yeah, my instinct is to bust every one in here”

I said that’s funny and not funny at the same time. “What would happend if you pulled me over with this?”

He said, “if it was before today, we would probably end up on the news”

The cops mentioned that they had no idea about hemp and that they were not being educated on it.

I spent a good half hour explaining everything to them including how hemp is different that marijuana, how to read COAs and describing the whole process of extraction and THC remediation

I reminded them to be extra thoughtul when encountering someone in the hemp business whether its someone with biomass or someone that processes for a living.

The last thing they want to go is hurt a family because of lack of knowledge on the topic.

This trip made me realize how dangerous it is for people in our industry because of the lack of education of Law Enforcement.

Its our job to try to educate them as much as possible as to protect our industry from the evils of ignorance.

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What they did is illegal

Youd have won that case easy

Police cannot extend the time of a stop to search you for drugs with a k9.

The supreme court ruled they have 7 minutes to establish probable cause (which hemp isnt probable cause, I got pulled over in utah by a state trooper who saw an eatable bag in my car that said 500mg CBD, he asked to search my car and I said no and he left me alone)

If they cant establish probable cause in 7 minutes they have to let you go.

Pot brothers at law made a post on this recently

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Tell 7mins to every cup I’ve been pulled over from the age of 17 to 26. I havent been pulled over in almost 20yrs now.

They can/do/will make up any shit they deem fit to do what ever they want.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GjTCzFOzQ/?igshid=19mvmjfs1vt5o

Watch this it explains it

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That doesnt make it lawful.

You can easily beat most search and seizure cases if you STFU lol

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Yeah, well when you have priors, your at their mercy. Forever and ever!

Now I’m in a position to afford top $ lawyers

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Not true

I have 3 sales felonies out of CA

If you know your rights you can easily not get searched

If a cop pulls you over for a traffic stop he has 8* minutes to establish probable cause

If you dont talk to them theres no way they can do that.

Now obviously if you’re in a state where weed is illegal and your car smells like weed that’s probable cause

But what happened above isnt

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Major lesson learned here: NEVER talk to the cops. When they pull you over, and ask questions, respectfully deny by saying sorry officer I am not discussing my day…When they ask why not, you repeat sorry sir/mam I am not discussing my day. If they detain or arrest you, still shut the fuck up and invoke you rights by remaining silent. Believe me it will make it much more easier for your lawyer to defend you if you get arrested.

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mentioning Hemp at the Canadian Border cost me two hrs…or maybe it was the empty cart they found after i mentioned hemp…

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Reasonable articulable suspicion is the standard. It is less than probable cause.

That goes for any case

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Read the link I posted above it explains it pretty well.

The pot brothers at law get cases thrown out all the time for warrantless searches due to no probable cause

Overview

Reasonable suspicion is a standard used in criminal procedure. Reasonable suspicion is used in determining the legality of a police officer’s decision to perform a search.

When an officer stops someone to search the person, courts require that the officer has either a search warrant, probable cause to search, or a reasonable suspicion to search. In descending order of what gives an officer the broadest authority to perform a search, courts have found that the order is search warrant, probable cause, and then reasonable suspicion.

So how does this work you have 100 pounds of shatter on u and get pulled over but they have no probable cause so you’re free to go but they keep the shatter? Lol I’m lost

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If they find your shatter, you are fucked.

You might beat the rap, but you can’t beat the ride.

The cop arrests you and let the court decide if the cop had reasonable suspicion or probable cause.

You still take the ride downtown, maybe spend some time locked up, and end up paying a shit load to a lawyer, and lose the hash.

You lose even if you beat the case.

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Generally speaking the cops can and do do whatever they want whether it’s legal or not. However you can in many cases avoid conviction if you prove the evidence was obtained illegally

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They take your product, lab test it, then issue a warrant and now you can be picked up on it.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B4_W_zwl4g1/?igshid=2dtc35im1y28

West coast cure got illegal searches and they STFU and got everything back.

The cop said he could tell by the smell that they had over the legal limit of weed on them.

In CA you need probable cause

This is coming directly from the lawyers who won that case for west coast cure

Reasonable suspicion is not enough to do a warrantless search

Perfect example

My homie got raided because he had a program that could make your ID into any states drivers license

When he got raided he had a pound of meth in the house

Dumbasses didnt get a search warrant to remove the meth from the house

They ended up not being able to use the meth in court because it was an illegal search and seizure

Had they gotten a judge to issue a search warrant for the meth my homie would have been fucked

But since they didnt they couldnt charge him with it

Obviously he didn’t get it back but if you’re in your legal rights and they search you illegally then you’ll get your shit back

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it is with a person or vehicle in public.

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