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I made an account so I can call you on your bull. To all the others, very nice website you guys have here, full of practical information. I’ll try to be concise, give decent reasoning, and hopefully put this topic to rest permanently. There should be no tolerance for people who actively try to deceive their customers, let alone for those who knowingly endanger them.
1: This is by far the most blatant, but there are zero species that produce both psilocybin/ tryptamines and muscamol. Before you say you have a special genetic linage, it is not possible to force the biochemical process short of extensive genetic modification (to an order that has not been achieved yet). This is not to say that your extracts are not “100% natural”; that will be picked apart later. The only way that this could be done is through mixing of extracts of two separate mushrooms.
2: Next low hanging fruit, but your COA lab tests validity are doubtful at best. There is no way for me to prove that they are completely falsified, but are so many holes in them. First, the lab that you are using, California Ag Labs, lost their license for a bit back around the time you posted your results, specifically for their malpractice in detecting mycotoxins, or the stuff that you are having tested (2). They have amended this admittedly, however their sketchy track record leads me to doubt your tests. It is also worth mentioning that they have no accreditation for testing tryptamines (3). While you say you are purposefully fooling these labs, I do not think that the tests are faulty, as they are very revealing.
3: Finally the chemical portion, my forte. To start, if your lab tests and claimed procedures are believed, then there is no way you could extracted the tryptamines from a natural source without further purfication. The method you mentioned for getting “legal” tryptamine analogs from a natural starting material is very real, a selective demethylation of a tertiary amine. This is achievable through usage of quite easily acquired cheap materials and can be easily translated to a Centrifugal partition chromatography set up as you described (1). The issue is that this process is selective, and only demethylates tertiary amines while leaving the secondary and quantinary ones alone (1). Unless you started with pure psilocin/psilocybin, your lab tests should indicate a presence of both aneruginascin and norpsilocin, yet you have two tests where they are found separately. This doesn’t make any sense and would not be possible unless you already separated the components out prior to the reaction. Also it is very cute that you brought up HPLC and that the musimol and ibotenic acid “isnt what it says it is”. The Partition coefficients (logP), the thing that allows us to separate and identify these compounds, of musamol and ibotenic acid (~-2 and -1.42 respectively) are not even close to tryptamine and its analogs (around 2 and psilocybin being a bit of an outlier at -1.6). There is no way you are fooling these labs, they are completely correct with what you are putting in your products.
With all these in mind, I have a rough theory of how you are actually making your gummies. You are buying 4-AcO-DMT, deactylating it, then demethylating it, along with occationally throwing in some aneruginascin when its cheap for you. You then cut that (extensively) with some fly amantia extract, make your gummies, and call it a day. You are in it for the money, evident from stating how fat your wallet is, so I doubt that you are truly concerned with the quality and effects of your products. You are only concerned with how marketable your product is, as you can say it has psilopsybin in it, because it does (in very small amounts).
What you are doing is what has caused people to distrust 4-AcO-DMT, a very useful pharmaceutical in both pleasure and actual practice. It is people like you who cause the general populous to demonize things like psychedelics due to wanting to make a cheap buck while people are stupid about it. This hurts so many more people beyond the ones you are directly hurting and will only set us back.
P.S. (For Villy) Don’t try to out bullshit a bullshitter. You were so close to doing a good job at taking advantage of the poor regulation on tryptamines. I commend the people who are actually producing the tryptamine portion of your snake oil, as it is a very economic way of producing 4-OH-NMT, but I despise your greed and your disregard for the safety of others.
P.S. (for everyone else) If you can’t access the demethylation source and are interested, PM me (is that even a thing here?) and I can send a PDF
Sources:
[(1) Roberts, C. 4th cannabis testing lab loses license in California crackdown. mjbizdaily.
[(2) Rosenau, T.; Hofinger, A.; Potthast, A.; Kosma, P. A General, Selective, High-Yield N-Demethylation Procedure for Tertiary Amines by Solid Reagents in a Convenient Column Chromatography-like Setup. Org. Lett. 2004, 6 (4), 541–544.
(3) a2LA certificate No. 6099.11, AG LABS DBA CALIFORNIA AG LABS,
