You should get someone to do marketing and pr for you if you value your brand.
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This is the average smoker dilemma. It is super prevalent in hash.
1 - .1% care about terps and overall quality and it’s usually wooks and hippies the “weed snob”. The rest are soccer moms and dads looking for a Budweiser to sip at the game. They don’t particularly even care for the taste, and even if they tried something better, would probably stick with ole reliable, and let you keep your dipa or slushie style weed.
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Cold fire also tests with labs that end up over 100%. You can’t have 95 tc and 10% terps or the 20% they claim with their carts.
I’ve tried so many of their carts and they all taste like a nice Kush flavor but that’s it. Also the orange color is off putting for me personally. But I know they fly off the shelves.
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I dont smoke the carts I dab the jars which is why I have a hard time finding it sometimes
For 38 a gram it’s hard to beat on the rec market
I really liked there green dog collab, the first set of 4 flavors were all super fire and different
They have started to kinda taste the same but alot of it has to do with material and there running some lower quality material and cleaning it up
Check their dabs. Same thing. Will be over 95% total cannabinoids and 8-11%
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I’ll send pics of the boxes when I get home
Pretty sure it has the test scores on it
I think I have a few in my office when I get in I’ll check
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In my opinion you hit the mail on the head. It’s our terpene profiles that are lacking. Also our sorbet is not CRC. But I know cold fire is.
You know brand loyalty plays a huge roll is sales right?
You also have to think about batch sizes for sales. For example (hypothetical numbers) cold fire might be dropping off 30 grams of each flavor. Compared to NUG dropping of 80 grams of each flavor. So in theory selling through a 1/4 of NUGs batch size is almost the entire size of the batch cold fire dropped off. Do you have access to our sales data or are you just hearing from word of mouth? Because I can see sales of all 6 of our dispensaries.
Multiple people in this post have said color matters. Also there is a lot of market research with people that buy things based off color in other industries. Why would it not be the same in cannabis?
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Multiple people have also said it doesn’t and I’ve given you examples in your own dispensary to disprove what you say. If you can see the data go look for yourself and take into consideration coldfire is also 50% more then your sorbet and people are still buying it. Your sorbet is 4 for 100, cold fire is 38 a gram which is 13 more then your sorbet. People care about terps over color now adays
One thing you’re not talking about is fats and lipids which is a major impurity in hydrocarbon extracted and can be bleached with powders. You can tell when you don’t have fats and lipids in an extract because it’ll be clear/not hazy. Your sorbet has a hazy look to it which is also why it probably doesn’t test as high as you’re not running cold enough to not pull any fats and lipids.
This is something that membranes are really good at fixing and why I said I want to get my test results before posting pics
Number 1 we don’t use CRC. I already mentioned that.
Number 2 you don’t know anything about our extraction parameters. We extract at -80f. So please don’t act like you do.
Number 3 our products Fat content is very low if there at all, because we extract so cold. You are more than welcome come to my lab (yes another lab invite) and dissolve some of our crude in methanol and see how little fats if any crash out.
You are hearing things via word of mouth. You know that game we all used to play as a kid called telephone? When one person tells another person, then that person tells another person. Then that person tells everyone what they heard and it’s not what was originally said. So unless you have access to actual sales data like I do. There’s not much of an argument here.
I just reread this thread. You are the only person that said color doesn’t matter. So I’m not sure who you are talking about that’s agreeing with you. One thing I think your also confused on. I never said color is the only reason people buy products. It’s a very large one but not the only one. There are so many consumer reports on this.
Please, we are having a debate. If you going to response to my comments respond to every topic I mention. Don’t pick one and make a comment ignoring everything else I said.
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Lol you really think at -60c you’re not pulling any fats and lipids in your hydrocarbon extract? I bet there’s a few here who will agree with me you are even if you don’t think you are.
I can tell you you are just by the waxy appearance.
Were not talking about crude bro were talking about your sorbet
This has nothing to do with word of mouth, this is what I see when I go into your dispensaries. I’m a customer who buys 200-300 dollars worth of cold fire a week and I tried your product once and won’t again because you’re just not doing something right. If you’re not crcing then your running mids material to produce your sorbet or your pulling that shit way too early and not letting the full terpene profile develop. Idk how you get straight limonene terpenes when you’re not crcing, that’s a first for me.
Anyone who wants to see what I’m talking about can go buy a gram of your sorbet then buy a gram of cold fire to compare
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I’m going to start by saying everything I’m going to say here is about distillate and distillate only. I do not use any form of this product and as such what I say is what I’m told thousands of customers are saying. I charge significantly more than my competition. Some years ago my distillate won the Cannabis Cup, so there might be something I’m doing right.
It is my experience, what is most important to the end customer (and as such is really important to the person manufacturing the carts as long as they want to stay in business) is, in no particular order- color, taste, smell and as long as the potency is not really shit (you will not notice as much as a 5% difference in potency in a blind test. Think about it what is 5% difference in how much vapor you take into your lungs? Every time you breathe in you can fluctuate by more than that). As humans we are controlled by our senses sight, smell, taste and touch. Since obviously you cannot touch it, what is left is sight, smell and taste. And at which point you will also have to consider the placebo effect that can be brought up because of the psychological affect the senses I mentioned can have on your experience.
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First off I said very little if any. I did not say we don’t pull any fats at all.
To me crude oil is right out of the extractor. An extract that does not have a defined finish yet. What would you call it?
Once again you don’t know anything about our process. So unless your going to come to my lab. You have nothing to say about what you think we are doing.
Didn’t I already tell you that I don’t think sorbet had that good of a terpene profile? Also what flavors of sorbet did you try? Sorbet is a refined product. What do you think that means? That it was refined from something that wasnt great to start with. Have you also considered why it’s at that price point?
Wanna know what’s really ironic? That you keep preaching tests results matter over what the naked eye is seeing. But you don’t want to believe that my sales data is going to be more accurate than what you see/hear about a product. Do you see how that doesn’t make sense?
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Anything else you have thats a higher price point is all diamonds and sauce which is why I chose the sorbet. Your nug run or live resin is cheaper but also lower potency so im a little confused as to what your best stuff is because if its not the sorbet and its not the live resin then it has to be the diamonds and sauce and i dont smoke that. Id have to look at the order to see what I ordered, I got 4 grams of your sorbet / live resin for 100 then i got 4 grams of something that I think is nug run? Idk it was 20 per gram or 15 for 4. Your diamonds and saunce are like 35 each and I have tried those before but like i said I dont like diamonds and saunce.
You havent posted any sales data the only thing you’ve said is you have access to it for the last six months. Lets see how much cold fire you sell and how long it takes to sell out compared to your own products made in house. Post the data prove me wrong. Anyone who knows the cold fire brand knows it doesnt stay in stock which is why I have to hunt all over for it.
Most all virgin live resin extracts that are high in terpene content are low in potency. That’s a pretty common knowledge in the industry. If it’s higher in potency it means in lower in terpenes. Not every single batch is going to be amazing. Consumers like different products. Which is why we make different finishes. You used yourself as an example. You don’t smoke diamonds and HTE. Your not the only one. So we make different finishes to try and please consumers.
You keep mentioning cold fire. Is that because you only have that brand to compare things to? As I already mentioned brand loyalty is huge. Like you stated its sold out everywhere. I also never said NUG sells better than cold fire. For me cold fire is CRC and I don’t smoke CRC. Also I would never ever post private sales data on a forum site. That’s NUGs information. Once again I’ll invite you to the lab for the 3rd time. You can see the sales data in person and you can dissolve sorbet in methanol and watch how fats will barely crash out. You know if you give me your last name I can go a head and pull up your transaction reports and see what your buying, how often and how much your spending. Then we can figure out what sorbet flavors you bought.
I was excited to see 20 new posts in this thread expecting some photos and discussion… is it impolite to ask to take it to the DMs?
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I feel like there is a Mad Hempster disease………….
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Hempster-19…it started with a wook that ate a bad batch of d8
Let’s not forget that hardware plays a huge role as well when discussing flavor. When I’ve made carts, I had great flavor with some while no flavor with others when using the same oil. The glass viton ones gave better flavor while the ccells gave none
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Membrane oil decarbed. We are adding back cannabis derived terpenes. This is prior to homogenization.
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That looks pretty good. Is that a butter knife (just asking for size reference)? I’d say it’s orange enough to go into a cart. Thanks for sharing.