Kind of back....want to setup a grow now

I can’t really hardwire it… I mean I could, it would make no difference in terms of being able to unplug it or anything, however every once in a while, maybe once a year? they’ve decided to do electrical inspections.
When they do I have to disconnect the dryer from the oven outlet.
So in either case, I would be without power to the grow for a small period of time.

They literally don’t do anything but look at the fusebox and say ok and move on but the oven outlet is visible and the dryer is tapped off of it. my landlords don’t give a shit about the washer and dryer, but the management company does.

Why is this an issue when all I need to do is move my AC to a different circuit then I’ll have enough capacity to run a light, recirc pump, fan.

Maybe go by your weed At the store? That place is not Fit for indoor growing. You put the whole building at risk. Grow in summer on the deck and go to work. That is how most people do it.

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I just read the entire thread buddy. All I can tell you is you 100% have to chill that water. Wort chiller will probably work but not nearly as efficiently as an actual water chiller.

Here’s my two cents: either figure out the power for the chiller and implement it, or go soil and recycle it so you don’t have to worry about dumping it.

You either have to chill that water somehow or just go soil. For 4-6 plants I wouldn’t be so hard pressed to go DWC. I can tell you I ruined one harvest because of the water temp, and a second harvest got stunted because I didn’t run my return pump into my chiller when we put our system back together the second time. So for all of veg and the first two weeks of flower for that run, they didn’t get chilled water, and it showed.

Not saying there’s no way you’ll make it to the end of harvest, just sharing my experiences. We were running 630w in a 5x5, then 1545w in a 4x8. Both runs had root rot, the first run got nute lock and stunted hard. The second run had root rot, got stunted hard as well, no signs of nute lock.

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Well then you likely don’t want aeroponics. But it would still be possible to do nft or dwc with a battery backup to run an air pump for a short time when needed.

Dwc can work without a chiller if your pump isn’t making a lot of heat. You will definitely want the chiller for the hot summer months though.

As I have come to understand things, the ideal ambient air temp for a grow is always higher than the ideal water temp. So no matter what, one of your parameters have to suffer to keep the other in line if they’re not being controlled independently. As a result of ideal parameters not being met, you will see the yield and quality suffer. Given you make it all the way through flower.

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It’s about the amount of oxygen that the water can hold, which is much greater at lower temperatures. High res temps rot roots, but it depends on the climate overall. In a cold winter, a chiller will barely run at all, but then later in the hot summer, the chiller saves everything. So yes, chillers are good, but it can work without them in some conditions.

Ah bro these guys are hooking you up with knowledge!

I’ve been growing 15 years and some of my first were in a 2 story town house and apartments haha. Hydro on your floor is gonna suck thats just how it goes with growing.

I would seriously consider going soil for now with a simple pond liner or even panda film attached to a makeshift 2x4 box with the liner stapled to it so you have a little water catch.

I’ve dealt with root rot and similar from thinking I too could get away without chilling my water living in southern California :laughing: but you get over that mindset quick when you lose a whole crop and months of work because you thought you knew what you were doing.

I was lucky and had partners with deep pockets when I was younger so I got to experiment with every type of growing and accessories you could think of and honestly I was always a soil guy because hydro was to much of a pain in the ass but I remember setting up those big 27 gallon yellowtop totes with a 5 gal home depot bucket cutout in the top with a 12 inch net pot and a 3 inch abs pipe in between each bucket I was growing trees indoors with roots the size of welcome mats lol. Still had to chill the water though even being at 5000ft elevation and in snow during winter :man_shrugging:

I would at least listen to all the guys helping you out on here theres alot of good brain power in this thread and it might suck to hear but were here to help level eachother up thats it bro we wanna help!

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If your room is 78°f then it doesn’t matter what time of the year it is. The chiller still has the same radiant heat load based from the lights being used.

We’re not talking about greenhouses or environments that have that kind of outside environmental impact

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I second that, if your near me. No problem to stock you up

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True, if he is in an apartment with boiler heat, that is the most stable in terms of temperature swings. That is a city or old building thing. Everyone I know has a colder house in the winter, especially in basements.

He’s in canada, though. I am guessing there is lots of cold air to be had if needed. Anything is possible with enough effort. Transferring that cold energy from outside somehow to use for cooling seems like the way to go in winter if he doesn’t have the money or amps for a chiller.

old building thing. I think it was built in the 50’s.

This is the most clearly explained answer I’ve gotten about this whole chiller scenario.
Someone couldn’t have started with that??

True, because the ground is cool.

The saving grace is, or can be, the mass of the water. Air heats up quickly, water much more slowly. If the mass of the water is large enough, it will not reach the air temperature within the 12 hour light cycle. And that of course also depends on the heat generated by lights and pump.

It just seems wasteful to me to use electricity for cooling when he is a window pane away from a frozen wasteland winter. Transferring energy is always easier than creating it.

How about we don’t play the guessing game and just run a chiller. The whole idea of building work arounds for such a simple task is the problem

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@SidViscous can you chime in here? Feel like I’m going crazy here.

@Autumn_Ridge_Hemp

You can chill the water any way you want. The water still needs to be chilled. However you decide to skin that cat (hopefully the easy logical way) is on the guy paying for it with his wallet and his time

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It can work without the chiller, I promise :slight_smile:

We all still don’t know how much the budget is lol.

We can give all the suggestions in the world, but if we don’t have that, it’s all moot potentially.

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Yes that’s been agreed on… never the less the water needs to be colder than the environment, however you decide to get it there

Why are you going crazy…see the answers above?? Clearly explaining things, instead of just saying you need a chiller!!!

Those are answers that help me understand, those are answers that provide crucial information.

You’re telling me I need a chiller, I’m seeing that you don’t always, but there was no explanation beyond “you need to chill the water”

All I want is information.