They exist but were few and far between as far as 100% organic. Many will try but easily succumb to “easier” solutions when facing the loss of a crop. A lot of them are “95% organic” meaning they use most organic principles when growing but will not hesitate to do foliars of harmful chemical pesticides
I say were because now they are somewhat forced to comply 100%, if they want to keep dealing in the legal market
I apologize for the delay. I am currently on site doing an install of a 100Kilo processing system and it is keeping me pretty busy. Should be back on Thursday with more time. One quick note that I wanted to mention when it comes to pesticides is please keep in mind that we are looking at Parts Per Billion. The pests only become an issue because when you concentrate the flower down you also concentrate the pests, fungi, solvent content as well. Parts Per Billion (PPB) is very small. Similar to what would fit on the head of a pin. In Cali its 200 PPB or lower that they are looking for.
Well, i got a fail on every single thing I tested even at less than .9 ppm for myclo. And this was done with material that was tested as clean before hand, so at this point I’m not convinced that working with clean starting material automatically leads to clean distillate. In Cali it needs to be less than .1 for myclo.
A farm that avoids using pesticides means very fucking little in regards to what may be present in their product. If they operate within a few miles of conventional Ag then theres plenty of opportunity for contamination in soil/water/air.
@Renchi Sometimes levels are <LOD until concentrated through distillation or other refinement.
Equiment cleaning procedures, recycled solvents, etc all play a role. As well as what @shadownaught mentioned although I have no experience with that type of carry-over
That type of carryover plagues most cannabis growers in Cali.
Myclobutanil will also persist throughout generations of clones, as we as in soil and water.
That’s crazy, I had no idea myclo would persist through generations of clones. A study needs to be conducted to find out how far myclo will go.
I definitely remember when all the wooks claimed that Eagle 20 and floramite were perfectly okay to use as long as it was in early veg. And that there would be 0 traces of it by harvest.
Boy, were they full of shit!
Anytime anybody frowned upon the use of these things, basically said, it’s all good fam early veg application only! Of course, a lot of them sprayed mid flower secretly because their poorly managed and poorly equipped indoor grows woth 70% RH would get PM or mites near harvest time.
And that hearsay kept getting passed on and on from every fucking Master grower to the next Master grower.
I’ve been working on some distillate lately that has over 1,000 times (that’s correct, thousand) legal contamination on certain pesticides, as well as something to the tune of 400 times the legal contamination on some class 1 PGRs. I can only imagine this is a result of late flowering foliar applications, although I could be wrong.
Definatly sprayed the daylights out of them for generations!
Use of PGRs I find to be a sign of novice growers that have no idea what they are doing. Often used as a last ditch effort to try and make some coin by increasing quantity but ignoring the dramatic loss in quality. I Have often seen that PGR growers are ppl that assumed they were going to be the master growing god of the world when they actually lifted a finger and started… then realised very quickly that they had no idea what to do and were at risk of losing lots of monies
The other possibility on why it’s SO high, could be that they were in the middle of battling pests mid-grow, lost the battle, and sold (or whatever) the unfinished biomass to be salvaged into concentrate, to “stuff down your little custy throats” as @rr.stanley would say.
I expect there is a lot of material & distillate out there that is a result of a lost battle against pests, landlord, etc.
LOL nm
Sounds like you got hustled by a dreamer who believed his own bullshit hahah but it’s experiences like that which we learn the most from 
If anyone is putting in lots of effort to convince me how good they are and how much they know about growing I take that as the number 1 sign they are a noob that I don’t want to know hahaha. It’s often the quiet ones hiding in plain sight that have the most to offer
I would say that’s a fairly accurate gauge, from all the shit I’ve seen over the years. Of course no system is fool-proof, but if one stuck to that principle it would probably serve well.
Earth to @DrJosh … any updates?
do you have persistence data on floramite?
I’ve used it in veg before. I’d like to use it again…
I’m seeing half-lives of only one day for hydrolysis and aerobic soil. 78 days for anerobic.
I’ve seen some, but I don’t know how it relates to real world times. I’ve personally used it plenty of times when I grew indoors, but that was years ago before anybody tested for anything, and the common accepted knowledge was that it would not persist in the plant tissue by harvest.
I’ve also seen much of the degradation information and such on available public documents on many of the common pesticides, but I also don’t know how well that relates to having a below legal or non-deductible residue by testing time.
One thing I am sure of is that I do come across quite a bit of bifenazate in crude and distillate, however. Luckily, it is pretty easy to remove to a non detect level
I’ve only had one instance where I could use the 1/2 life in a meaningful manner.
I had a batch of EtOH crude fail for abamectin. My calculations said that it must have been sprayed no more than two weeks before harvest. Head grower confirmed that number once cornered.
the ballpark math I used was
so about twenty 1/2 lives should get you from “I sprayed” to “Not Detected”
update on?
@DrJosh I would assume your claims of pest remediation that we all are very interested to know the validity of. I could be wrong, but that’s what I’m waiting for, doctor.