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I have no problems handing samples out in CANADA lol.
And I have no problem getting āsamples requestsā TO Canada.
See I say your area, cause we canāt confirm you are in fact from that province.
Posted in the wrong thread on accident;
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Could we go back to iceless vs ice this is a genuinely interesting topic
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Probably neither of those things tastes better. What would taste better is one that was appropriately cooked and prepared to be eaten. There would be limited exceptions to this.
Which we already know. 
But what I think @Willbillmargera is really asking us is what kind of additional benefits might there be and what kind of potential negative impacts might there be.
From my personal experience Iāve noted a few things with āiceā vs āice waterā which doesnāt contain ice. First - color is different with or without ice. But it can also be different depending on the kind of agitation that is used. I figure this has to do with the level of mechanical action that is being pushed/pulled against the plant itself.
From my personal experience I have noticed that āprocessingā is faster (meaning fewer times around the vortex to get to the end of my yield - if I freeze the material BEFORE it goes into the water. There are many schools of thought on this (as have been shared here). Some people are upset if plant particulate gets on their screens. Some think it impacts flavor profiles (like what started my post). Some seem to think that it causes the process to really not work at all (which I have never seenā¦ but maybe they got things MUCH colder than my -20C Freezer).
So lets talk about some other potentially ānegativeā impacts of āiceā. The cost of production increases when you have to produce and move ice around. I always think of anything that might cost more as a potential weakness to my process. Moving ice around costs time and money. Making or buying ice costs time and money. If you have a system that is keeping everything nice and cold AND that system costs you less than making/moving ice around - then that would be a strength of your process.
Sometimes water and ice have contaminates - sometimes those contaminates get in your final product. Iām not talking about large things that get filtered out (although all impurities are weaknesses in the process) Iām talking about microscopic things that pass through all your filters and end up in your hash or in your pressed rosin (cause yeah, if they can get through your screen, they can get through your pouch/bag).
Sometimes those contaminates make things taste weird (especially if you are not purifying your water/ice at allā¦which I have seen WAY to many times).
Sometimes I prefer mechanically separated dry sift - instead of ice hash. No water involved at all.
Sometimes I prefer not to have any changes to the flower at all.
And sometimes I prefer not to consume any cannabis at all.
So really you have to consider all of the different strengths and weaknesses of the product you are trying to produce. You have to consider the market you are trying to impact. You have to consider the level of effort you want to put out there (especially if you are doing it at home OR have limited resources).
So many pros on cons on either side of this issue. Especially when it comes to systems which donāt have a lot of other mechanical action/vortex built into them. I think sometimes people forget how important āshakingā stuff used to be. Or how important it was āthe style of iceā that we had. Before we got better at making the machines. Hell - even the type and style of paddles and the speed at which we move them has changed over the years.
Frenchy Cannoli gave a really great conversation/teaching about ice, amount of ice, purposes for using it, consequences for its usage - and then points to some other options (chillers, insulation, mechanically induced vortexes, etc.) I suppose some people might like other methodsā¦ of course that might be COMPLETELY different than the kind of hash you want to make. -shrug-
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For real though @RockSteady that water hash setup was way ahead of itās time and looked cool as fuck!
Iām relieved heās moved on from his crush on me. But good luckā¦heās giving off major stalker vibes
I think iceless hash is obviously the answer but takes the proper vessels and/or cold room.
Its clear the agitation and friction of chunks of frozen water will rupture glands and leach chlorophyll among other non desirables into your hash. Especially in a washer. Diligent hash makers that paddle by hand get by with ice and can manage to make hash that leaves no undesirables on the banger after dabbing.
The sheer is the factor we are trying to reduce in the transfer pumping and washing process.
And ice has high sheer. Just think about a glacier slicing through the metal hull of a ship.
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ice is dirty
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We both know there are methods to make ice have minimal contaminates. The same with all tools used to do our work.
But yeah - commercial ice is dirty. Because āfoodā is dirty when you get it from the store and there are limited controls on this. And ice that you are making in your facility is only as clean as your facility and the water you are putting into it and the people moving it around.
Thinking about the overall quality of the production environment and the materials touching it is always super important.
I imagine that someone who hasnāt considered the cleanliness of their ice, may also not have considered the cleanliness of their utensils and the water they are using.
Quality is a mindset and not everyone has it yet - and some have decided not to use it even if they had the capacity and experience to do so.
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I want a ice maker that does pellets similar to sonic ice but through my own filtration for the water to keep the right properties.
The ice machines themselves are far from sanitary. So many books and crannies for microbial growth.
They need to have an ice machine with CIP built in that uses steam to sterilize.
Itās very easy to drain and clean ice machinesā¦ they are sanitary if you are. Countdown to extractionguy talking his bosses into an explosion proof 316 ice maker.
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Uh what? Why is it hard for some of yāall to stay on topic.
@Cheebachiefextracts thx for your input very informative for someone who doesnāt completely understand bubblehash
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Once it dies down Iāll gladly start back into conversation, Iām at home today cause all the roads around me are snowed out, barely made it home today in the down pour.
So hash sesh & tek it is
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Lets say my goal was to produce only trichome heads, no rosin, is this something that can be done with water hash/ ice water hash? Or is that a sift product
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Pretty sure you donāt even need water to get a product above.
Iām sure you can dry sift heads that clean
I personally think thatās a dry sift picture.
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Both essentially. Just matters of the texture youād like afterwards. Obviously you can achieve a higher terpene content along with ice less bubble as opposed to dry sift. But the texture of both can be similar after drying in a freeze dryer or air dry in some occasions.
You can get a melt with either method depending on the parameters you followed for preservation all the way through to process & cure. If youāre just looking for planed heads either can do as well. Dry sift doesnāt take nearly as long to complete cure though.
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Hmm im leaning towards dry sift as well, I think breaking up fresh buds in the most gentle way possible will be a key component to preserving the well defined trichs.
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Static sift gives the cleanest heads
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Yea i have a stack of t shirt screens from when jungle boys first started open sourcing the static tek. I need a nerd like @Cheebachiefextracts to get over here and fuck around with it though
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I use to trim on a 75 micron screen and the product was similar but not that clean. Looks like it was went back threw to pull any remaining plant matter.
Looks fire as fuck. Skunk man used to make a product like this a long time ago
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