I came back just to post about how mad I am at D9 growers and how they behave is

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Sounds like a good friend of mine as well. He was meth/heroin. Watching him go through withdrawals was brutal, i offered him my couch, as much weed and kratom as he needed to get over, had job placement, etc, afterward.

Watching him go from completely numbed and just broken to seeing his spectrum of emotions return, seeing him start to be able to have a bit of that brightness i recalled seeing when we were kids, was magical. He gave back, and he started to become the caring, strong person he was. It was awesome.

Sadly, I had to move to continue my work, and he started drinking… he succumbed to liver failure last july at the age of 31. I was present for his last week on earth and was one of the most difficult losses I’ve had in life. Miss that boy every day.

The lesson I learned from him is that you can treat physical dependencies, but if you dont treat the addiction, you still get the same result.

@TheVanillaGorilla, this is where my vocalization about that came from. He was a Navy Corpsman as well…

@Autumn_Ridge_Hemp good on ya’ll, and may your friend stay blessed.

@doobydanks, it’s reasonable to get upset over all this stuff. You’re talking about “general public woes” most people (and the marketing theyre given) is either misinformation, or just downright bad information.

One of my favorite quotes about this “if you spent every waking minute correcting every single person that doesnt get it, you’ll just be blue in the face and mad, sometimes you just gotta let it go.”

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Tone deaf as fuck. Good luck telling junkies to walk off their addiction.

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Walking off a opioid addiction is on about the same level as smoking it away with D8. If you don’t have first hand experience with that addiction and I know you don’t you shouldn’t make assumptions. The country is past guessing what works and what don’t. Fact of the matter is Suboxone and Methadone is the only medication treatment approved that’s working. Remember people have and re burying there kids over this. We lose the equivalent of a fully loaded 747 passenger plane a day to this tragedy. At this point there’s probably not a household left who hasn’t lost someone. Cannabis is big medicine for getting clean from opioids it’s true. But only a part it needs to be in combination with above mentioned meds. Yeah you’re trading one for the other that’s true. But your also trading all the life style the dope brings a long

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I did hear of studies about ayahuasca used to treat addiction. Here is one of them but I’m sure you can find plenty more.

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If psychedelic treatment for opioid addiction is of interest I would recomend iboga
Althou not for the faint hearted

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You “get” me. :rofl:

Drug mediated therapy is integral when it comes to suboxone and methadone, seen it do wonders. The back end is also critical, ensuring that the person has a stimulating lifestyle. Social accountability with a diverse friend group, work that isnt monotonous and engaging. Theres so much more to getting clean, than getting clean.

maybe going outside, touch some grass, eat some good food

Kratom extracts and weed “worked” but it was incredibly rough, and I wouldnt subject someone to that, unless they had been tapering off opiate/opiods prior, and they had a tough constitution, you have to really WANT to get clean going this route.

Delta 8 would be about as effective as a balogna sandwich, people who smoke weed don’t find it as a good replacement therapy :rofl::rofl::rofl:

@Worcestershire_Farms the point I was making, the holy grail of getting off of substances, is no substances at all, people shouldnt be having to get high to tolerate their realities… I make no illusions, even weed isnt “good” for an individual, its only good as a harm reduction tool. I pray everyone find their way out, whatever their vice is.

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*Ibogaine

I just wanted to make sure the corrected spelling is out there if anyone wants to research it. It’s not that well known in the US as of yet.

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No he knows what he’s talking about.

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Yeah, but in all fairness @Roguelab is known for his non-standard spelling

:shushing_face:

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Heard just recently about that Ibogain treatment. The few reports I read sounded promising. Myself I just don’t understand how it works to get you through the withdrawals. If it has 1% success it’s better than 0% so I’m all for it. This all comes back to big pharma wanting to control the problem they created. They have so many politicians on there team they’ll continue to get there way.

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I don’t think anyone does or can fully understand the mechanisms behind every addiction. For a while I picked up cigarettes, don’t ask why, I don’t know, but I smoked a moderate amount, roughly 1-2 packs a week, daily.

Then I decided to stop smoking. Like, that was it, I just decided to stop. I didn’t feel any anxiety or withdrawal. But I’ve personally spoken with people at rehab clinics who are hooked on heroin and/or meth and they would often claim cigarettes were about as hard to quit as heroin. In many ways it’s harder because it’s legal, constantly available, and much cheaper than meth.

I have no idea why it was so easy for me to put down the cigarettes, yet I feel like my soul is dying if I can’t get some dank.

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I find it interesting when a substance is labeled addictive. I feel addiction lies within the individual weather it be sex, drugs, gambling or another. I could quite nicotine like no other but if she appeals to me the task might be more challenging. To consider a substance addictive intrigues my mind. To closely consider a personality highly addictive intrigues me more.

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D9 flower – you mean the cannabis sativa people have been growing for 10,000 years? We used to just call this “marijuana”.

There is no such thing as a D8 grower. They don’t exist. CBD growers exist and then chemists turn it into god knows what concoction. And you want to claim that’s the same as just growing a plant? PLEASE. This is not what NORML fought for for 80 years. This is not what our fathers or grandfathers were fighting for.

I think Killa had the perfect refutation to this line of argument. What if you found a way to turn CBD itno meth. Would you call yourself a “meth grower” and insist it was “all natural” and “no different from D9 growers”? Come on, come on. I used to enjoy D8 until people started pretending it was somehow natural and on par with natural Cannabis. Even back then I never charged for it, I just said, this is a research chemical, try it for free as a novelty and know it’s at your own risk. And then when I learned a little more about how poor the average purity was, I never touched the stuff since.

I think D8 by itself may not be bad, but the fact is, it’s synthetic, and it should be held to the same standards as a pharma companies’ synthetics. Nobody is even close.

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Don’t mean to be a dick here but are you serious? Smoke a pack a day or two for five or six years then you can comment from experience. Gigs are as addictive as heroine but in a totally different way. You’re not going to have liquid coming from both ends at once like stopping opioids. But the mental addiction of not being able to take a breath of calmness will send you to store at 4am.

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I knew a kid in college who was from Holland and rollled his own from tobacco from back home. It was the most delicious non-weed stuff I ever smoked, completely different from American cigarettes.

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Suboxine is a game with addicts, my opion for short term it is fine bit not long term.
Clean is clean.
Iv delt with my son and exs daughter and seen alot.
They have to want to change, i was a alcholic and wasnt till i wabtwd change dis i stop.
What i find is weird these kids know how addictive opiods are and know the withdrawal if they stRt again, but it wont kill them, alcholhol withdrawl can, with alchohol i bot the bullet sweated it out and detoxed.
Hard addictions most certainly have hard detox. I think they goto detox, then program and be clean, i think the subs and the other is just their addictions at work,
When i quit drinking, now i have a soda in my hand instead, kinda same thing, once detoxed the addict mentality is still there and needs tobe addressed.
My son dual diagnosis, i soend extra time when i can helping ppl extreme cases, only success has been when they want change and accept reaources availble to make thT change

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You said the magic words I’ve heard from every successful person I have seen with getting clean they have to “want” it. It’s a crucial thing.

I agree that the most successful people I have seen quit opiods or amphetamines have been the cold turkey ones. Its also imperative that those resources are there when they are ready and accept change.

Hell, even weed and “soft” addictions, you have to have resources around you to help facilitate that change.

I recently quit nicotine and canna, and jeez man, my brain has thrown all sorts of tangents, its required all manner of distractions and outside things just to try and distract.

@WeedThePeople you are correct in your assessment, addiction is neurology, physical dependencies are about the body’s physical need for the substances.

You can get rid of the physical dependency, but if the addiction isnt treated, you’ll still have the same problems, just with a different set of things.

Most people confuse or conflate the two. Physical dependency can last a month or so for withdrawals to level out, addiction takes years to unravel.

Ive been clean off of nicotine and canna for 2 months now, without any other substance to replace it, and let me tell you, the depression has been unreal, and my neurochemistry is still leveling out, my understanding is I have another 6 months to a year before I will be “back to normal” and even then who knows, I spent 17 years consuming it and elevating my dopamine levels, thats going to take some time for my brain to level off to its new norm.

I also wanna say, that smoking canna after having been brought back to virgin to it, is entirely different than habitual use.

@Autumn_Ridge_Hemp 100% american tobacco is absolute ass. Closest thing we have is pipe tobacco, and that can be pretty good, but american cigarettes are horrendous in comparison to whats available overseas.

Also D8 is and always will be boo-boo-shitty-fuck weakness, and standard canna has, and always will be the big-floppy-donkey-tits.

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I know you know this of course but I just wanted to put out the PSA that this doesn’t always work right, since some things can have very risky withdrawals. Benzos and GHB being some of the more dangerous ones to try and quit without tapering…

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GHB is fucking horrid. Tapering is crucial even for soft dependencies, hard dependency is a requirement.

And antidepressants too, there’s been a lot of research to come out about SSRI’s and SNRI’s as well thats pretty damning.

And im glad I’ve left an impression of being knowledgable on the matter. I feel seen. :pleading_face:

Keeping on track with the nature of this thread, im also glad to see the frustration expressed with the hemp boys and trying to pass off the isomers as “canna” related.

To me its like saying markers are like colored pencils.

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Good ole ghb. Gnc used to sell it on their shelves back in the day. My lifting friends of the past used to drink this like water. I tried it 2x, hard pass! Ketamine/ketaset/ketajet or molly is much more preferred.