And if y’all are craft, I must be super duper extra craft in my tiny little 2*4 tent!
(kidding obviously)
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I was simply stating that for the real craft grower that LED if more effective, and for the commercial grower maybe HPS may be more effective. I was not saying that either is better then the other, just simply that each has the place for certain applications.
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I’m in the same boat actually, the right lighting for the right application.
But I just think it’s funny about the numbers, you and moon goon get about the same per harvest, and he came in with a big number like it meant something. You break the numbers down and they’re similar.
And to be fair, who cares about the size of a grow if the quality is there. I’ve seen some small “craft” grows that suck major ass.
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Well for me what’s most important is the cost per gram. Gram per wat is important yes, but for me it all really comes down to initial investment and operating cost relative to yield. For my space and operation I’ve found that LED is the most effective solution.
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Haha, again, I’m in the same boat too. I try to reduce my costs as much as possible. This is all personal for me, just like I assume for you as well, so money saved is always nice!
Grams per watt is a very rough way to judge things, I know, but those were the numbers I saw and could work with.
Anyway, cheers brotha!
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Cheers 
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In mixing them, I don’t know what won. It just didn’t work out yield wise. Hardest crop I had in some time.
I use traditional single end hps now and am getting
2.5-3lbs/ 1000kw
I’m also running RDWC. That helps my numbers more than anything.
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88 from 28 lights is over 3 a light. Has anyone produced that from leds yet?
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Again, math:
88# multiplied by 453 is 39864
28 times 1000w ballasts is 28000
It’s about 1.4g a watt, as I have stated, it’s not a great measurement, but it’s what we use because it’s easy to work with.
That’s about what I harvest in my 2*4 tent with about 210-220w worth of light.
Don’t know what specific fixtures have what specific wattage or par value, but when breaking things down that’s the numbers.
So yes, I have seen leds pull similar numbers, but not at that scale personally, and I don’t think that would be the best application for them anyhow.
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Also the cost of production per gram, if we are getting roughly the same grams per watt of light, and power expenses are about the same at the point, then once you factor in the the additional power used or AC and climate control with a HPS grow, and the increased initial investment required for that, the cost per gram is much higher with HPS. So for the small craft grower in my opinion LED is the most effective solution. We are not claiming that either is better then the other, just that each have the place and purpose.
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Spend money to make money… wanna pull 88lbs then you’ve got a substantial investment.
This is home growing vs commercial growing, which can still be a craft garden.
Sure the commercial guy is going to have to spend more money, he is also going to make 2200x what the home grower will. (88lbs x 6 = 528, 4lbs x 6 = 24, 528/24= 22)
You’re comparing apples and oranges here
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I was never trying to compare a commercial grow to a home grow buddy, in fact if you read back I have been specificity saying that they are each their own and require different equipment for the specific applications. I was simply providing input to the original thread, where buddy was looking for a more efficient option for his craft grow. It was you guys jumping in with your claims of ultra high numbers like it means something, yet when broken down are the same gram per watt lol, sorry you got all defensive when I called out the “craft grow” but the fact is that term dose get thrown around a lot these days, that’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it. Let’s see a pic of this 88lbs craft grow and the flower it produces, also are all 88 lbs of that flower trimmed and manicured by hand?
Agree 100% people keep trying to compare to different situations, with two different goals.
Home growing and commercial grows are two different animals altogether, that have completely different variables.
And who cares about craft! Fire material is fire regardless!
And by people, I do not mean anyone in particular, I’ve just seen these arguments no matter what site I’ve visited.
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Right on. I agree much rather have quality. I live in a cold climate and haven’t seen any real led flower gardens so I was asking. I use led for veg and produce very healthy plants. However I do use hps for flower. Gotta keep the ladies warm!
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Its all very high. The fact that it was in LA made it even more ridiculous.
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Next grow i pop up ill holler at you. Id be glad to give you my nutrient mix if you want.
Hahaha I dont mean to bring up an old thread but the LED pushers on here are fucking hilarious 
24 lights can easily be considered craft.
@Demontrich - Nice setup!
I think it’s fucking hilarious someone brings up a dead thread to throw shade on people. Is there any particular, or are you just dumb? You still rocking some hps too or what?
I’m using led for my grow and have great results…
Someone’s clearly reading too deep into my comment. Whatever you run is your own choice, I didnt throw any shade on you so dont take it personal.
I must say, since @Demontrich talked me over to the CMH side, I’m beyond happy with the results so far. Plants are already turning deep purple that never went purple before and they’re only 3 weeks into flower.
I can tell my yields are going to be way higher than before. I have a couple of plants that have 2-3 weeks left and they’ve already stacked fatter than usual.
Coming from HPS and LED, these are a game changer. LED has it’s place but I’m moving away from it after seeing what these things do. I need the added heat that LED’s just don’t put out.
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