What’s going on Future 4200 Friends,
What is the difference between Hemp Derived Delta 9 and Conversion Liters? Are they both Derived from hemp?
Both the same thing. Quality can vary drastically, probably best not to smoke. Probably ok for edibles if high percentage.
Derived from THC leaves a little less to the imagination
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Do your magic
What makes you recommend you not to smoke/vape it? That’s honestly why I’m asking.
The unintended extra chemicals left over may not as harmful if consumed by eating compared to smoking would be my best guess.
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Wrong user @TheVanillaGorilla
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But if it is “Cat 3” wouldn’t all those “extra chemicals” not be there? I’m buying HD9 from MC Nutraceuticals @ 600$ a L for 10-20 at a time. I believe they are getting it from BUCANNA LABS
Hemp derived d9 and synthetic d9 are different
Both are conversion liters
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‘Cat 3’ is a California cannabis-specific term that just means it passed the most broad testing required by the state (which is actually not as in-depth as conversion-specific testing like KCA does). It’s basically meaningless outside of California.
Converted D9 could theoretically pass ‘Cat 3’ testing but those tests still wouldn’t tell you about the minor impurities aka “extra chemicals” that people are concerned about
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There are chemicals needed to convert hemp CBD to d9. IMO the manufacturer of the d9 needs to be transparent with what chemicals they are using. They should also prove (via some sort of analytical chemistry method) that all of the chemicals they have used have been removed.
Then there’s the fact that not every CBD molecule is being converted to d9. There will probably be some d8, some d10, and likely a small quantity of other degradation products that will not be identified or quantified. That’s what gives me the most pause. You’d be smoking things which nobody knows what they are.
I’m not trying to single any manufacturer out. This is the same across the board with all hemp conversions. Some manufacturers may go through the trouble of confirming that the chemicals they added to cause the conversion have been removed. But the impurities that nobody can quantify I would not consider smoking.
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There’s your problem
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Hemp derived d9 requires conversion from isolated CBD to d9 via cyclization reaction with acid catalysts. You’re now entering the organic product realm which is much less controlled than enzymatic proximity reactions. The number of isomers that are produced can be quite high depending on your reaction method, thus purification is needed. In fact, d8 thc is more thermodynamically favorable and will usually be in the final product if you leave the reaction going for too long (in most cases). If you don’t purify, the resulting oil can cause extreme unintended highs or benign effects. You won’t know until you quantify what is in that product.
If you can get hemp derived d9 that is purified with preparative HPLC or CPC, and is tested to a standard of purity (>99.9%), then it’s identical to cannabis derived d9. The problem is most producers don’t have that equipment ($$) and aren’t regulated in a manner to care about purity (especially MC nutraceuticals) .
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Exactly…
If they are not processing marijuana in California,then they didn’t submit samples for “cat 3” testing to a California lab…making any such “cat 3” claim spurious, if not flat out bollocks.
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Wow you guys are dropping some fucking amazing wisdom. Thank you ALL!
I find it funny because the last batch we made and put into carts (M6T Jupiter CCell Cartridges) seemed to make us cough harder. As if my lungs were irritated by what we were vaping.
Without bias and with all honesty are there company that you guys trust to provide a clean HD9 products? Just clean Hemp Derived Cannabinoids in general?
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You do realize labs like acs will actually run full panel tests utilizing the requirements of which ever state you’d like right?
I have a client who runs California METRC standards for his full panel tests on my gummies. It doesnt have to be a california lab.
Which I would contend makes it “tested to cat-3 standards”, not “cat 3”.
Aka “spurious” rather than “bollocks”…
It’s also not METRC that sets said standards…it’s the department of cannabis control (DCC).
Rumor has it there are labs (not pointing at ACS) that will throw “requirements” out the window…
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Cat 3 refers to category 3 pesticides which even cbd products in metrc in CA are tested for so not sure why you would say its not cat 3
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Because it’s not about METRC dear heart, it’s about DCC approved labs on DCC regulated material.
You and your customers might find it useful and agreed upon terminology, that doesn’t mean it meets the strict definition as written in the rule books.
@SeekKnowledge asked for information…as written seems like an appropriate place to start.
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Cat 3 doesnt have anything to do with the lab though lol like i said above
As someone who comes from CA I think i can speak on this a little more than you no offense but EVERYONE i know refers to clean distillate as cat 3 regardless of “strict rule definitions” or its source or even what kind of distillate it is. You might not agree with it but your interpretation of the language we use is incorrect.
Its kind of like how people buy liters of distillate
Youre not really buying a liter its a kilo but we call them a liter anyways.
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Yep. So you agree that the agreed language is wrong…
Yep, you almost always have that conceit…doesn’t mean you’re right…(or wrong)
Yeah, I get that’s how it’s sold. I’ve repaired equipment for folks who flat out lied and sold pesticide contaminated material as CAT 3.
My contention is simply that if the operator’s license is not tied to compliance in California, “cat 3” doesn’t have to mean anything.
Arguing with you is and always has been pointless … @SeekKnowledge had what they need, I’m done
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