or the flys where attracted to a wet environment and layed there eggs.
ive only seen gnat problems with really wet pots though they were potting mix
so you could be right on that
It sounds like them but I have yet to see a picture of them that hes posted it seems theyre all HM.
Can you screen cap a picture hes posted that positively identifies a root aphid
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I am no pro by any means, but every sample bug I was able to capture and photograph was compared to photos on line of bugs and they look identical to the beneficial guys. There were certain traits that were near identical to my samples. Likewise I did not find a root aphids to resemble the bugs Iāve found. Again this is just me comparing pictures and learning. But some of the pictures I posted are identical to Google pictures of the good guys. I need to spend some more time and capture as many samples as I can because Iām sure itās possible I have multiple different bugs. But so far from the pictures I posted of the bugs I found none of them resemble root aphids and are identical to the good guys. I donāt want to get comfortable with this notion because obviously something is wrong. I decided to skip the pesticide treatment for right now, and instead today I am going super mega heavy with nematodes. I was doing some work under the canopy today and definitely noticed a lot of what I THINK are Fungus gnats, although they were very small like fruit flies. So first treatment was mosquito bits and some other mosquito treatment, second treatment is very heavy nematode feeding and then I will just assess from there. I tried to do a little research but couldnāt answer this, Can the nematodes eat the good guys. Thatās why I decided to stay away from the pesticide until I know I need it because I donāt want to murder the good guys that I suspect are on my side
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No the nematodes will not hurt the good guys. This is from Arbico Organics:
If the infestation being treated is severe, use S. scimitus along with Sf Beneficial Nematodes and Yellow Sticky Traps. Consider using S. scimitus with A. swirskii or N. cucumeris if you are treating an active thrips infestation.
Ants = Root aphids
You will usually see a line of ants heading to and from the sick plant(s). Thatās the easy giveaway.
Ants harvest sap from the aphidsā¦ they literally farm those fuckers for their excretions (also, this is why aphid damaged leaves look shiny.
If you donāt know, now ya know <3
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I was indeed fairly educated in the ant game concerning aphids. Pending more samples to make sure there arenāt aphids and HM, Iām a little relieved. Naturally Iām going to obsess and spend my nice scoping samples and comparing. But for atleast the guys I did catch, they are based on photo comparison, HM. In about an hour when the sun goes down Iām going to unleash the nematodes. I got a quite a few sponges and going to hit it hard
can u post some pics or describe the condition of the plant before it died???
one telling sign of raās is that the water leaves will show like an army camouflage type pattern of green and yellow, around weeks 4-6.
the larvae that you found is probably a fungus gnat larvae, which to me does not rule out having root aphids at all.
The og biowar was not expired. i got em from cap himself.
in the end i hope u dont have raās as it was THE TOUGHEST thing ive faced in my garden
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Honestly, it was fine, no noticeable major problemsā¦ then one day I walk by it and every single leaf is just willowed down drooping, so I check out the soil, itās wet, so it wasnāt thirsty. And regrettably I just hoped it would bounce back, but everyday it just continued to die. Within a few days every single leaf was 100% dead and crunchy. I posted a pic of a healthy plant above, and every single one of my plants look like that, so I wouldāve noticed a problem had it showed itself. Like I said I plan on trying to capture as many of the bugs as I can and taking pictures because I do understand I can still have aphids even if I have beneficialās. Part of me thinks that maybe somehow that one just didnāt take to a heavy watering, or some thing freakish happened. The other part of me is terrified that if this starts happening to other plans I wonāt be able to reverse it. I feel somewhat optimistic to know that all the bugs I caught seem to be beneficial, and that I noticed consistent fungus gnats and little flies under the canopy today. At least thatās an issue I can react to in a positive way
Editā Some of my plants do have some yellow water leaves throughout that I started plucking. Nothing crazy and it seems to be solid yellow as opposed to the camo pattern. But I will take some great pictures tomorrow and try to update this post with a lot more information
Iām not saying it was fungus gnat larvae that killed the plant, but seeing those clear larvae and any gnat or fruit fly type bug means that itās definitely time for the bti. Iād keep up on the mosquito bits or dunks. Works better/faster if you soak em in a container with a large surface area, because the bacteria spreads across the surface, then precipitates basically. Could try bti in a liquid form if you donāt want to wait for it to soak before watering.
I would get a bunch of sticky traps on stakes and put them throughout the greenhouses to help survey what kind of gnat populations you have. If you see a few, there could be many more that you donāt. The traps will help tell the numbers.
Thank you for all the above advice! Sticky traps have worked wonders in the past so I will indeed throw some up!! Mosquito bits are rather expensive for the volume needed was was turned onto a liquid mosquito treatment that I posted a pic up above. It was super concentrated, I think it called for like 1ml per 250 gallons which I thought was weird. But alas( thank you for they advice and Iāll be following all those protocols
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Iād try and get that bish to root again. Just like a clone. Cut and scrape bottom. Dip in rooting powder, stuff in a pot with dirt and see if she will take root.
Hereās a few pics. The first picture show my plants and how basically all my plants look like. Lush and healthy. Iām starting to see this yellowing at the bottom of a lot of them and wondering if itās normal or aphid related. Iām kind of losing focus on what to do and in what order. Iām scared if I have root aphids that I should go ahead and drench with the triazicide today. But I also have a ton of nematodes for the fungus gnats. I donāt want to treat it with triazicide and then kill the nematodes when I apply them later or tomorow. Considering the fact I supplied so far, along with the fact I treated with mosquito bits and that liquid mosquito treatment, until I can provide further bug pictures and samples, would you go ahead and say fuck it and dredge with the triazicide to be safe, or nematode it and wait it out. Hereās a few pictures of the plants, the yellowing is not a complete epidemic and just happening at the bottom. I almost assume itās normal but need to confirm
small update. Went bug hunting today and here are my findingsā¦I picked random plants throughout both greenhouses, dug a little out from around the stalk. Some plants i would immediately see the bugs crawling around, not hundreds, but i would see them right off the bat. Other plants i had to wait and search a lot harder. They all seem to be the HM looking bugs. I scoped them and will include pics. A few notes, on one plant, i noticed 1-2 little bugs that i THINK appeared to be more red/orange/darker than the other bugs. This concerns me as it appears that is a trait of the aphids. But i could not capture them. Also throughout i found some white bugs that were much smaller than the suspected HM, and they jumped around. Everytime id try to get it onto my piece of wood and sticky take it would just jump away. thoughts? Lastly, in one plant, which was next to the zombie plant, i found 2 larvaā¦ pics and video included. My confusion as a newer grower is thisā¦ Id like to treat with both the nematodes and the triazicideā¦ but i dont want to harm the nematodes. Do i treat with nematodes first to take care of the fungus gnats which i do see, and suspect that could be the larva, but risk the root aphids multiplying and doing more damage? Or treat with triazicide and hope it curbs the aphidsā¦which then leaves me conerned about the nematodes dying if i apply them after triazicideā¦ Thoughts?
The following pictures are what i found todayā¦
Video of larva
I mentioned this last year when you had an issue PROMIS soil drenched at 2-3ml per gallon, 2-3x in a row. It will kill all the bad and good bugs.
I run a good business. I dont play around when it comes to issues. Same with bringing in cuts. Those get the super duper quarantine method.
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It seems promis is discontinued or I canāt find an outletā¦ any source you suggest for it? And a proper soil drench I assume is let pot dry up to safe extent, heavy watering to run off, dry, water to run off etc? Even so I hate having to wait for a delivery at this point Iām terrified something bad is brewing in my soil lol. The larva is ruining my day
it looks like you have fungus gnat larvae and gnats which is not that big of a deal. Sucks but nothing to kill a plant
It also looks like you have Hypoasis Miles as confirmed before
and here is the one that worrys me:
it shares a similar body to root aphids
I would also consider some sort of pathogen like root rot or similar but I would not rule out aphids just yet
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bugs that jump might be thrips. Or springtails
Springtails
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For what itās worth, that picture you posted above is a picture of the second larva, not an actual bug. I got some dirt in there with the sample so it looks like a shitty picture. But yeah thatās the larva not bug. What DID concern me is seeing what i believed to be red/orange/darker bugs. I only saw two and couldnāt capture them. The tiny white jumper bug is a mystery. For all I know I couldāve just super overwatered that plant and all is wellā¦ but like I said, god forbid the other plants start wilting like that Iām fucked.
Since I feel l need to do SOMETHING ASAP, Iām just trying to figure out if the nematode and triazicide dealā¦ it seems either treatment will put the other off, between waiting for the pot to dry up a bit and also not wanting to murder the nematodes with the triazicide
The jumper guys did resemble a pic you posted above as thripsā¦ the looked like tiny little grains of rice. IF I have aphids I know they are more problematic than fungus gnats/larva so I might just drench with the triazicide and say fuck it. Wait a few days and apply the nematodes and hope they donāt die
Thank you all for your time by the way. Itās my first big solo grow and i made it this far
My bro nuke em and keep the benies in the fridge. There is nothing like chemicals for eradicating unwanted pests.
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In regards to the jumper bug, Springtails tend to stick to the soil and feed off decaying roots and fungus. They wonāt feed off healthy areas of the plant. If you feel you may have been overwatering then thereās a good chance itās them. A good dry down is usually all you need to get rid of them. Thrips will feed on your leaves and cause noticeable damage.
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