Those are old ones
you think some normal person who gets arrested with a single cart makes the news?
Wow as much as this testing shows good results (and i contributed towards the cost of doing it), there is no need to jump on anyone for being cautious about safety… Better that we look deeply into claims like this (and we did) than we just ignore potential issues.
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unfortunately I’ve got thousands of people who have been convinced by others that I’m a drug dealer, a d9 shill, or a competitor, among other things. As long as I’ve been posting about it there’s been people actively trying to minimize the information I share or attack me personally
I just don’t want people to suffer harm on account of potentially dangerous products/legal issues, and I don’t want people to be deceived the same way I was in the old reddit RC days.
People sold etizolam claiming it was safer and less addictive than xanax, in reality it was just a cheap way to develop a crippling addiction. They sold 4-fa as a safer ecstasy alternative when it’s known to be cardiotoxic. This type of deceit is nothing new, it’s been going on for a decade now just on reddit
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There is cautious about safety and there is also fear mongering and baseless statements derived from an obvious hateful bias these two things are not the same and we shouldnt act like they are.
BlackJack had a valid point Pdxcanna does have a whole ass sub and did go on a long ass fear mongering reddit campaign, but lets just call it being cautious…
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I only started that sub after the mod banned me for suggesting they were moderating for pay and pointing out the hypocrisy of putting up a month long sticky over fake c-cells and nothing about fake COAs or hot distillate
You don’t think it’s weird that no other lab has stated that KCA, ProVerde, infinite cal, or any other reputable lab that repeatedly identifies illicit amounts of d9 in the majority of products, are misidentifying it?
Literally no one has put forward evidence that proves that they’re wrong about the legality of this shit.
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“The results of the residual solvents assays are attached to this summary. The reporting limits are set
as 10% of lowest action limit listed by USP 561 and/or Utah Rule R68-29.”
Are residual solvents a new addition to USP <561> in USP-NF 2021 Issue 1?
Good catch, thanks. I’ll change it to 467. Been working with pesticides more than solvents lately. Same results with most solvents in single or double digit ppm.
KCA labs, did you run these on LC-UV? Can we see those ten UV chromatograms?
If not you just tested for things that can be easily separated from cannabinoids by differences in boiling point… olivitol and cresol (along with any of the solvents) would be easily separated by a simple short path distillation. Are you are not even considering the cannabinoid byproducts obviously shown to be present in other D8 samples?
Why have you only focused on easily separated impurities? Do you not think those cannabinoid byproducs present a harm to the consumer? Please give us some indication of byproduct levels in those ten samples… or you are really wasting everyones time and money… and not behaving in good faith when you say you are testing for impurities that may harm the consumer. Lets see those UV traces!!
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They were run on GC-MS/MS as represented on the report in the table’s header.
If you’ve read through this forum there were discussions on the presence of olivetol, p-cresol, cyclohexanes, etc. at (supposedly) worrisome levels. I don’t remember off the top of my head, but I"m thinking the highest levels purported in the scaremongering were around 1-2%.
I’m not making any claims to harm, toxicity, suitable levels, etc.
I proposed to test 10 samples for these compounds and that is all. If you want to do more research then by all means. If you need us to perform any testing or test in parallel with you, then we’re open to it.
Did you help fund the GoFundMe? If not, then I don’t understand your issue.
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The issue is you tested for things that can easily be remediated… not the things that are hard to remove like byproducts. You did the testing under the guise of “all this testing im doing is for what could hurt you in these products” and you didnt even really test for the major byproducts of the reaction. That is acting in bad faith in my opinion.
Now morons are using your results all over the net to say D8 products are safe as can be because KCA labs tested for all the shit that could hurt you. But you only tested for the shit that would just be separated by a simple distillation. Sorry but you should know better than that, if you were really concerned about impurities you would have at least shown relative levels for the cannabinoid byproducts across the samples.
Do you see my point? Am I the only guy around that sees this shit going down? God damn
You’re missing the point this was done to show iontraps fallacies nothing more.
If YOU would like to expand on this YOURSELF tap in.
Where’s your publicly funded campaign to show more garbage. I’ve got $50 on it.
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I’ll have a gotcha fest on you too. $50 for you to show us what we should be afraid of.
You wanna do some random sample tests and show us or just type?
I understand Olivetol wasn’t the concern and I understand there’s a plethora of what if potentials.
So why don’t you take 10 samples from your local stores and show us them in retail products. Nothing wrong with a little scrutiny from us just like you’re giving kca right?
Because they’ve shown us from their random sample that we have less to fear than iontrap made it out to be.
Can we have you do the same for your claims.
You’re not threatening cops on random people are you? Or did you miss that part?
The issue is that you had many people believing those compounds, which can be easily remediated, were left in some cartridges.
When did I say anything about these compounds being harmful? At what level would they be harmful? What is the definition of harmful? Is irritation harmful? You’re full of logical fallacies.
Those extrapolating that 10 random carts tested for solvents, olivetol, and cresol means vaping d8 distillate is safe is hardly my problem.
Go after the people making such ridiculous claims.
Post your own simple product survey with your free testing. Doxxing you? Who cares?
You act like I wrote a peer-reviewed paper on the matter. I posted results on testing that had a demand from people in the industry. Those people may have learned something from this little project. The only one blowing it out of proportion is you.
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Unless you’re gonna save files with .DEA in the name and threaten feds/cops you shouldn’t have anything to concern yourself with. Unless you owe people money too. Lol
This is not an issue. In fact, it is the solution. I’m surprised you’re even getting responses.
I have posted multiple UV traces showing those unknown peaks in multiple samples, as have other good analysts. You have seen them because im pretty sure you commented on my post but I guess I can dig up a link if you are too lazy to remember. If you google “D8 isomer byproducts” you can find some independent (mostly well intentioned) opinions on it from decent chemists.
I do hope the cops DEA some peoples asses over this because you asshats are shilling poison to unsuspecting soccer moms and teens. It really sucks to think what those isomers might be doing up in the brain, we know that pure D8 is not going to fry you but what about those other exo-watever-THC like compounds.
And KCA, it kind of is your problem people are using your data to say D8 products are safe. You are the defacto subject matter experts in this field right now and you do have responsibility to the “industry” (as it were) to be forthright in your testing, results, and conclusions drawn from those results. You need to directly state these samples contained unknown cannabinoid impurities (and test for them) if you are testing for all these other impurities, because it definitely gives the impression these samples are free from ALL impurities. And those laymen will run with that, also bad actors are going to be pointing at this data for years trying to say their products are safe.
Do things in good faith, cover all your bases, dont just give out half the story and leave the dummies dangling.
Yes I’ve seen your concerns. @pdxcanna recently shared a comprehensive pdf. Not even going that deep, but showing the major concerns for LE inevitable involvement.
That doesn’t mean sound the alarms and call the cops.
Provide solutions outside of targeting others.
Informing people shouldn’t be frowned upon. Wishing harm on to others should.
Always these people pointing fingers instead of providing meaningful positive outcomes.
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