That’s disingenuous, as there are two variables.
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I didnt say there’s no difference between conventional and organic. I said organic isnt a way of growing its a way of marketing.
" im an organic farmer" means “i charge more for my stuff and i pay a governing body to make the claims that make my product worth more than a conventional farmer”
Whats with the personal attacks? I dont appreciate it and youre just making my point for me. Even you, whos mom works in the industry doesnt have a clue how shit works.
Lay off the kool aid ure like OD’ing on it
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That is incorrect. Aeroponics and hydroponics are banned from organic certs. Also banned are certain pesticides, genetic techniques, and farming practices.
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I’m just gonna leave the first spoon here, it’s lead free, just like the soil needs to be in order to be able to claim an organic certification.
Not sure if you knew this, but many pesticides and other additives to soil in convention farming, contain heavy metals.
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Saying “im an all-natural farmer” or “i practice regenerative agriculture” means you “farm” a certain way. Saying “im an organic farmer” doesnt mean you farm in a certain way, it means you pay to play
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And you’re still allowed to use the same pesticides as an “non-organic” farmer, which I don’t understand…
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If I bale up the grass in my front yard this year and sell it i will get a certain amount for it. If i grow the same grass next year in the same place and get them to call it organic i can get twice as much for my bales of grass. I didnt change how I grow my grass, I changed how i market my grass. I learned who to blow in order to get more money out of the same thing ive been doing the whole time
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Actually, your completely wrong and flipped around in the direction opposite to the truth, though I do understand your sentiments and agree that the USDA organic program has been latched onto by companies who seek to exploit the weight of the stamp- it doesn’t make you any less wrong for knowing this.
The phrase “all natural” is a marketing term
It has zero legal or regulatory backing whatsoever.
Putting a USDA organic stamp on your product requires that you go through a certification process that demonstrates a specific level of standards be met, that certain analytical profiles be filed and demonstrated, and a whole host of other qualifying and disqualifying factors be taken into consideration
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But that is incorrect, as I stated before. It means you dont use hydroponics or aeroponics at the very least
I’m sorry but what? No you’re not.
Because its not how you grow 
Stop drinking the kool aid
Here’s a list of all the chemicals not allowed in the organic program, but are allowed in conventional farming…
https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/organic/national-list/petitioned
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And here’s a listen of prohibited pesticides
Looks like I’m playing the spoons today
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I use no pesticides or non-OMRI listed products. I grow as organically as one possibly can (at least with my peppers). I’ve watched friends go through the USDA organic certification process and seen them lose money because of it.
I know there is prohibited stuff, but there’s still plenty of products one can use in organic farming (by USDA standards) that I do not personally feel should be allowed.
Not trying to argue with anyone. I just think that certification is a scam designed to make the government money, not the farmers. That is all.
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“The national list” also contains specific substances and materials that ARE allowed
If it’s not on the list, it’s not allowed.
They don’t sit and wait to ban every new thing that becomes available as that would be exhausting and backwards- sort of like how the DEA has to ban every new version of fentanyl until they passed the analogue act… the organic list got it right the first time and just have a list of what IS allowed
If you’re not trying to argue, don’t make patently false statements that are easily refuted with a google search-
It seems like you and @drake are basing your arguments on your personal feelings, rather than reality, and unfortunately for you this is the internet and your feelings may lead the less informed to believe the misinformation you are spreading because you feel bad that your friends are unable to run a competitive business and prosper where others seem to be doing fine.
I’m sorry that your friends are struggling, but that doesn’t give you the right to defend them by making things up and claiming fantasy as fact
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Awesome. Thanks.
My apologies for the inaccuracy in my first statement. It should have read:
You have your biases with you mom being part of the organization, as I have mine from my time on the other side of the fence. I agree that my first statement should have been better written, and I get what was wrong with it. My bad.
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So if I hire glg certified employees and they fuck shit up or steal or sexually harass the trimmers, does the glg take care of the damages?
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Hold my beer I’ve got a great story about the time I called a company wide meeting and brought up the levels of lead, cadmium, mercury, etc in the flower we were about to extract and the owner of the company responded with “it’s organic lead, it’s safe for sick kids”
I quit that job the next week
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