Legit might be my favorite line of verification on this forum to date.
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I might try this and send a sample to KCA to see if it’s hot for anything toxic. Still think we shouldn’t spread this though if it actually works, I’m not telling anyone about this unless I know they have some knowledge in chemistry already.
Also I have to point it out, the phrase “100% natural means nothing”. I mean first of all were still boiling an extraction that was initially produced through an unnatural process and we’re boiling it with acid extract. There’s nothing natural about this, and that doesn’t mean it’s bad. Cancer is a very “natural” thing and then suddenly you remember that nature can be just as much of a vicious asshole as she is a loving mother.
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The 100% natural was ironic. Cocain, MDMA (safrol),LSD (ergot) and Meth (ephedra) are all based on “natural” molecules.
Cool! Please share the spectrums if you send a sample to a lab!!! 
Google homogenous catalysis vs heterogenous catalysis.
It’s so simple as to why this is a shit method.
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Yes perhaps but i suspect that the CBD becomes more polar in it’s liquid phase and around 100C+ and that is why it can react with the citric acid dissolved in the polar water.
Maybe also the water become less polar close to 100 C? Water is a Super weird molecule that acts strange sometimes!
A lot of molecules changes it’s polarity depending on temperature.
https://www.researchgate.net/post/How_polarity_of_acetone_changes_with_temperature
Check out this text about Aceton polarity and temperature
Dear Sir. Concerning your issue about how polarity of acetone changes with temperature . Polar molecules tend to arrange themselves head to tail, positive to negative, and these orientations lead to further increases in intermolecular attraction. These dipole-dipole forces, called Keesom interactions, are symmetrical attractions that depend on the same properties in each molecule. Because Keesom interactions are related to molecular arrangements, they are temperature dependent. Higher temperatures cause increased molecular motion and thus a decrease in Keesom interactions. On the other hand, any molecule, even if nonpolar, will be temporarily polarized in the vicinity of a polar molecule, and the induced and permanent dipoles will be mutually attracted. These dipole-induced dipole forces, called Debye interactions, are not as temperature dependant as Keesom interactions because the induced dipole is free to shift and rotate around the nonpolar molecule as the molecules move. Both Debye induction effects and Keesom orientation effects are considered similar in terms of solubility behavior and are collectively referred to as polar interactions or simply polarities.
This guy managed to get around 80%, but he refluxed it.
http://cbdisomerization.wikidot.com/citric-acid
I guess you can still get around 50-60% with my method which is enough for Hobbists
Maybe I’ll run this nonsense reaction and post the chromatogram
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If dry jacking in the corner using sand paper is your thing, there’s really no reason to stop one from doing that. Just don’t bleed on me!
For reals though, that would be pretty bitching. I’m not concerned about the purity because it’s not distilled, so I wouldn’t anticipate earth shattering potency numbers. I am curious on the amount, and possible type of unknowns. At least where they’re sitting on the baseline of the chromo. Call it, professional curiosity. Regardless, I’ll just buy some. Do you need like a group buy in on a liter or something @Ozone? It’s truly much easier/safer to just buy it from people professionally setup for making D8
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I would really love to see how this shake and bake in h2o compares to the other acids in np… As far as isomer byproducts produced.
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I’d love to see the chromatography breakdown on this.
Good to set a baseline for how bad things can be realistically.
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No.
Water is so fuckin polar you will never EVER have a homogenous system. The temperature required (I’m gonna go out on a limb here) is so high that you’d shred the molecule to pieces before it ever became water soluble.
Not gonna work well unless mass transfer is through the roof—and my guess since you’re shaking it is, it’s not even close.
I get you’re trying to provide “rough” chemists with a way to do this in their house—try way harder—the methods you’ve been posting are absolutely ridiculous in most cases and you end up getting EVISERATED by the chemists on the forum, not to mention I think we’re all getting tired of the BS.
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It’s fun to think about how it’s much harder to get banned here for this shit than on reddit
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It’s harder to get sitewide bans, but most of the small weed subs will ban you quick
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Hi,
I’ve only played with the citric acid cbd isomerization and haven’t been thrilled with the results. Safety is a huge priority and I immediately shyed away from strong acids.
What temperature did you reflux at?
What kind of cleanup to the final product is necessary? Should it be washed with an NPS and basified?
Or is it just a 90 minute boil at reflux and bang you’ve got some decent oil with no worries?
squig went on to spread his BS on greener pastures, don’t expect any response.
reflux temperature is the boiling point of the solvent used.
At this rate it will take you 100 years to contribute to this forum what he @squig contributed in 3 months
And if indeed some was BS it was not intentional but a not suficient understanding of the cannabinoid his property s
Something he would have conquered if he could do r and d in safe conditions
Now go breathe in a paper bag to relax Rainman
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No 12 h reflux, check out this link!
Citric acid is a weak acid so it needs more time to react.
”1-1 isolate to water. 15% citric acid by weight to isolate. 12 hour reflux.
Temp is going to be the boiling point of water at your altitude
This yeilds 40-50% Delta-9 THC, 40-50% Delta-8 THC”
not just some of it.
still BS though
he does not understand basic chemistry, no amount of “R&D” can help with that. sadly, the same applies to you.
That’s a bold statement coming from someone who can’t seriously grasp the underlying concepts of what would determine the actual value of some “contributions” here.
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WooHoo 37% D8 26% D9, totally legal to make and possess. You’re not even putting the isolate into solution with a solvent. You’re refluxing water which is immiscible with the isolate… This just sounds all kinds of wrong, but I guess it took the people going blind from methanol before they realized it was a stupid idea to drink it…
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D8 is illegal where I live too so if it is d8 or d9 doesn’t matter it is the same punishment.
I only produce for personal use.
Why do you have to put it in solvent? There is no need to put it in a solvent because the citric acid loves to desolve in warm H2O.
I bet 100€ that most of you professionals are not using even ACS grade solvents.
Which nonepolar molecules with a boiling point over 100C are created besides THC when cooking with Citric acid and H2O?
I can’t tell if this is rhetorical but the solvent dissolves the reactants. This includes CBD. I almost don’t know how to answer this because it’s so fundamental to chemistry. I say this with love: put the flasks away and watch a couple youtube videos.
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