Have you tried CCell brand carts and what diluent are you using… And the ratio is never what’s on the box of the diluent , it just can’t physically have a set amount w there being thick oil carts and thin oil carts, are you using thick or thin oil, then are your carts matching?
Sounds like your cutting to much and don’t leave in hot car this will cause the same thing, don’t store anywhere hot at that, room temp
With the mixture your using you want to go with drop down cartridges that have holes to the atomizer on the bottom not on the side/ center post. This will help you prevent that backwash dark oil effect you are getting. Like the other members are saying it does have a lot to do with your mix and eventually even the LV9 will create dark streaks in your cart.
Do the CC Sells work good with distillate
All my friends out west pointed me to ccell brand carts, they have thick and thin carts, they said that’s their bread and butter for distalites carts!.. They work great for me, I have the standard ones which are for thin oil like distalites… It works great with my THC isolate terp mix… Then also works great with my thick winterized mixes in the standard thin carts., didn’t even get the thick oil ones… I’m just trying bunch different mixing ways at moment, after you choose the carts that’s the best biggest thing
Biggest thing that change my whole ENTIRE experience was 2 things,
First the ccell brand carts
Next getting away from cutting agents that are not cannabis derived
Made flavor perfect then and the carts was the biggest change, hell they even make the instant diluent work pretty good!
I have tried pretty much every cart. Love the flavor in the ccell. Probably best flavor over all out of all carts I’ve tried. If I get distillate at dispensary I can put that straight in no need for terpes unless you want flavor. This has worked perfect every time with or without terpes. But at $60 a gram from dispensary it’s not feasible.
but with my thin ratio I had spitting issues. Maybe I’ll try smaller apature ccell when I get low on carts in a few years lol. This will probably fix the spitting issue.
I have tried true terpenes “viscosity” as well as a lesser know brand “abstraxx” diluent made by ricca
And pg based made by" wax liquidizer"
The problem I get with the true terpes or even the Abstraxx TEC diluent (triethylcitrate or something like that my spelling is awful.) when I mix base with the flavored terpes it turns the nice clear liquid into yellow cake batter. And leaves chunky stuff stuck to my glass cups… I’m guessing it’s wax fats lipids whatever you call it.
I have tried everything from 1-5% strain specific terpes by themselves to 1-5% strain terps + 5-15% “viscosity” (more “flavor less” terpes) also tried using MTC instead of Viscosity or Abstraxx brand TEC diluent no matter what I do when it cools it gets all cloudy - cake batter. I ended up having to add wax liquidizer just to save the batch. As you can imagin it tasted aweful. Looks even worse in cart. Looks like half melted crisco with little white floaters.
So the wax liquidizer works for my concentrate except for the discharge issue…
I just got V9 in mail (super fast btw picked up Sunday in China and Delivered to me in US Monday.) and they are a big improvement over the other carts as far as discharge. The flavor is not as good as ccell but it doesn’t discharge and it hits just as hard or harder.
I also lowered the PG content a bit. So I’m thinking that helped discharge but also took away a little more flavor.
So Im pretty confident it’s the concentrate but could be just too much PG even though I’m well under what it says on the bottle.
Unfortunatlly I can’t get distillate for a reasonable price personally so right now it is what it is… My options are Wait patiently a few more years until I can make my own legally or take a chance on the dark web or crossing state lines.
@Mumbles Is it just distillate you can’t acquire at an acceptable price point?
you could go the diy route with minimal tooling costs & without using 'tane.
@StoneD has shown that isolating THCA and then decarbing will get you “distillate like” purity…and there is documentation available for isolation of THCA using low temperature repressing on buttered rosin.
one might even postulate that squishing buttered QWISO or QWET would work…or whatever buttered & non-decarbed feedstock you can acquire.
Did you ever try winterizing with Viscosity? That’s supposed to be the issue if not using distalites, once I started winterizing some material it stays a clear golden, rather dark this batch bc I barely put any viscosity, made it really thick…I should have put more… This is really concentrated mix… this is just purely to fix separation issue…
My next batch will be really light colored, bc using the THC isolates then adding terps I probably want need any cutting agent… Just terps, and I’m finally starting to collect up my own!
Yeah for me the BHO or CO2 is half the price of distillate and only 5-7% less total THC. I wish I lived in OR CO or CA where I can get distillate for 6-15$G.
I’m going to probably have to go that route in near future.
I was afraid of losing even more volume by dewaxing but It seems it’s the only way to add actual non-synthetic terpenes.
Thanks Thought about this… Do these have ceramic coil any option with metal tip/glass tube?
Flavor and big hits?
I appreciate it. The 2mm ccell will hit bigger with the thick but flood with thin stuff.
Until I can get some clean distillate or winterize my oil myself I’m going to have to stick with the PG for now. The terpes I have just won’t work without seperating and I haven’t even tried true canna based terpes because of price /availability.
Right now I landed on the Liberty V9 it’s the best option for Flavor and Big hits with PG for minimal dark streaks.
The Ccell are definitely better flavor and very little warm up time IMO but the airflow on the V9 is impressive. And once warmed up the vapor production is the same or better… Still wish the flavor was on point with CCell.
I just got an email from Itsuwa they have a new model cartridge you all may want to check out… New X Series Liberty X5. I don’t want to jinx but it looks like all in one 10/10 on paper.
It’s a “t-cell” (CCell) WITH huge adjustable airflow just like the V9 AND top feeding ceramic coil. 6X 1.2 mm apature. This will be my next purchase for sure. This is only listing I could find but I’m going to try and order straight through itsuwa.
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32874984211.html?pid=808_0000_0101&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.32874984211&
Are you an extractor? Winterizing is one the easiest things I’ve ever done, I just started recently for vapes…
Ive already figured out easy ways to obtain the isolates clear water if you do extract, very easy and you get the terps to use as added flavor, I bought some from true terps, strain profiles, they are great, but one drop per gram is to much!!! Maybe one drop per 2g! So that it doesn’t burn your nose… And this bottle is lasting forever flavoring Vapes when I don’t have my own terps… It’s actually enough to flavor about 40-50g with the smallest bottle they have!
But if you do extract they are really easy ways out there to pretty close to water pure distalites in looks, don’t know about on paper…!!!
Good luck buddy keep us in the loop on the best carts,. Do you have a personal favorite for yourself at home, then a favorite if you was dispensing, like disposable and not
How much weight on average would I lose winterizing an ounce of pull n snap consistency?
Im kind of happy with my results for my cart search and its not having a discharge issue so if it ain’t broken any more… That’s where I’m at…
As for favorite cart… Those CCell are probably the best so far over all.
The Liberty V9 are close 2nd for flavor but have better airflow and maybe hit a little harder then the CCell.
This X5 “t cell” i haven’t tried yet but it looks to be the union of the two. So my hopes are set HIGH for that one. If it has ccell flavor and V9 airflow and throat hit I’ll probably wet myself.
If you buy the CCell that Im not using I will send one of each liberty for you to try. I know what it’s like searching for carts. I probably spent over a G on carts just trying to find the best ones for both flavor and vapor production. But I can see the light at the end of the tunnel…
If the mix is just for personal you may want to look into a bigger atomizer with replaceable coils and mod box Or something like a Hercules 510 or yocan hive or honey stick. I’ve never tried any of these but they have popped up many times in my search. I have tried a refillable square pod from vape dynamics that had very good taste maybe better then ccell and good clouds but the carts are expensive, only work with their battery and its hard to finish the last 25% of product inside because of square design and coil placement. They may have redesigned coil since then. I’ve also tried a uwell Crown, smok baby beast and kangertech evod with some success with thinner mixes. Maybe @cyclopath can help here. Pretty sure he hates the idea of disposable carts… Maybe you could share your everyday vaping set up? If you vape that is.
yeah. no help at all. I’m currently disappointed with all the tools I’ve got.
when I had an unending supply of quality bho I used these critters.
I even ordered 20 of the things so my bioassay team had appropriate weaponry. But they waste a fair amount of oil if you try putting more than a couple of hits in there. they are also expen$ive, and will leak oil eventually. I’ve actually recovered almost 2g from a single cart when rebuilding. They require a temp control capable mod to fire them correctly (more $$). The fact that they are ceramic means they only last so long in my hands. They do give incredibly big and flavourful hits. I once had a pen vendor try one, and fall down in my office.
Made my day 
I find them more efficient than a torch heated nail, and for a long time I used them instead of my enail, even when it was on, and less than two feet away.
I looked at this one because it seemed more likely to bounce than the ceramic one. I got mine before they had coils compatible with temp control, and found that a pretty big drawback. I may revisit now they have nickel coils. it also leaked, even though you can close the air holes (until that mechanism becomes coated in oil).
Having played around with disposable carts that came in the door as samples, and being pushed hard to actually produce carts for the market place, I eventually accepted that there was less wasted oil in a tank style cart (assuming it didn’t leak or die). It was also more convenient to load days worth of meds at a time.
I haven’t yet managed to get all the way through the 3ml tank on my mini super tank without loosing oil out the bottom. So claiming it uses less oil than the Divine Crossing V3 may not be fair. I’ve only just purchased temp control capable coils for it, and am now almost out of the decarbed EHO I’ve been feeding it. Temp control definitely improves flavor, and also allows me to sacrifice flavor for efficacy when I need more meds.
the solution I find most gratifying is a pastuer pipette. with the addition of a small torch style lighter, you can use them to combust flower, vape flower, or as a nectar collector to vape oil. they’re borosilicate, so non-recyclable, but at $15 for a box of 250 the price is right.
Nice those pipetts things work like a honey straw? Like how do you use it? Just heat the glass and touch to the bho? Have you ever seen these https://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Yellow-Blue-Mini-Silicone-Honey-Straw-Titanium-Nail-/192560549632
It’s reusable obviously and the nail fiys inside the silicone tube and the wax container caps it off… Fits in pocket. Still need a torch but hits like a rig. You heat the nail and just touch the side to the bho and suck…Reminds me of old school knife hits. First time i seen at buddies I thought it was a dildo on the coffee table.
yep. same concept. picked up the habit in grad school back when I was combusting flowers. every lab had boxes of the things, and there was usually a glass disposal bin right next to the exhaust hood. when I noticed folks were vaping their flower, I realized that waving the flame on the outside worked for that trick. however they were then very much single use. someone actually had to hand me a honey straw before I made the connection that in addition to penicillin, Pastuer had given us a multi-use cannabis delivery device
Wow! Dabbing a pipette right now! It works!
Yeah so I tried pretty much all the ones you said already,I have yocan hive , honey stick phantom,… Currently I use my linx hypno zero bc it can handle my live or a diamond in the go and it can hold my 510s… If I ever can get dialed in I may have a lil market for but more for me than any
Just the reusable ones tend to always leak out the bottom…
So far I pry the ccell back open and then reloaded couple times so far… No complaints but I have to take 2 8sec breathes for big hit… Thanks though I really appreciate it
@Soxhlet would probably be better at answering the return after winterizeing…I imagine it has to do with it you dewax in column mostly or don’t dewax any during blasting on returns ,bc one way your starting with tons wax and the other barely any but some…I stain the paper yellow during winterization, that’s it , but I’m dewaxing with dewaxing column during blast!
Only reason I like it man is bc I’m not using instant diluent that isn’t cannabased …true terps viscosity they told me is not triglycerides and is extracted out the plant they say… I’ll use straight terps I collect with my THC isolate. And only reason I’m winterizeing is viscosity you must or have distalites or THC isolates… Hope this makes lil more sense now … Thanks for sharing the info though!!!
i think the dark oil just oil that has been exposed to more heat. it is just because there is no cotton wick and the way these carts work is different. they use a pourus ceramic material as a “wick” that holds the oil thats “on deck” to be vaporized next but the ceramic gets hotter than cotton and stays hotter longer so when u stop hitting it after a session that oil flows back down into the tank. if u hav ever heard of or used a health stone its the same material basically. this is also different then the “ceramic” coils that use a hard white ceramic that has heating wire embedded in it which basically doesnt have any oil “on deck” ie the new cup designs
You ever come up with good live resin mix…I use viscosity also but I have to winterize then add terps, I’ve also been able to isolate thc out Diamonds from lil mining, it works great with viscosity… I’m curious to hear other reports, if I just use my live resin with viscosity it takes way more than they says for winterized and distalites and it split it a cloudy and clear portion, however I think the maybe from not getting cold enough during extraction. Thanks bro just looking to hear some other experiences and methods they are taking, im trying to stay away from the other non organic instant diluents.,I wrote true terps they told me same thing they told you, they can show sds and something else not sure what I was looking at though!
I’ve used the C18-VC with varying distillate/terp ratios and never had a leak or discoloration of oil.