Ah squig, so angry…I’m sorry you’re not having a great time on the internet.
I’ve actually worked with this process for nearly a decade, starting with pharma, and finally wrote it up after being encouraged to do so for the past couple years.
The document is an actual SOP of about 20 pages that, not surprisingly, has nothing to do with either of the papers you posted.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend and remember to smile!
there are many ways to skin a cat.
I see a lot of I want to buy or I want to sell a process to do a reaction on what used to be
considered illicit chemistry.
when it was all straight illegal to work with cannabis anyone with any knowladge on the web
was happy to share it for free.
now its all ive got a way to do something so pay or I want to make a heap of money from
a reaction so I will pay.
how to kill the community driven push for personal freedom that was behind the movement
you guys are cashing in on.
so you worked on it with pharma for 20 years.
I wonder was it a job were you paid.
if it was as big a brake though as you make out why not patent the “reaction set”
and be done with it.
patents can make you rich so to say.
or can that not be done for one reason or another ?
if so then who’s sop are you selling.
on second thoughts if you worked on it in pharma the chances of it being in the journal database
or patent library are quite high 
unless of course its a trade secret kept but your past employer.
If I could pay X dollars today and make X^2 dollars tomorrow, then I have no problem paying someone to walk me through something
This is usually the case, which is why it hurts my head that some folks take his word as gospel.
Your assumptions might be right for some but not to all
Yes I trade sop and tricks off the trade for issolate but it barely covers cost let alone the risk I take with doing it for I am in a illegal country and 2 years of prison is bare minimum
And treuth no one has to buy or trade anything
I have no chemistry schooling I am a cook
And all I do is read papers ask chemists and try and most of that traded issolate ends up in the bin
Yes maybe I should have taken chemistry classes but working like this is addictive
It s like rolling the dice it only takes days for they land and results are in
Some yust want to get to work and have it right from the start and trade $$$ instead
Fair trade if you ask me
Wouldn’t want to do wrong by you 
You know as the old saying goes …
Your consultant was trained by the guy who was trained by,
The guy who was trained by,
The guy who was trained by,
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The guy who was trained by,
The guy who was trained by,
The brother of the third cousin who was trained by,
The guy who was trained by,
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The guy who was trained by,
The guy who was trained by,
The assistant in that lab who showed your brother and trained him,
By the guy who was trained by,
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The guy who was trained by,
The guy who was trained by,
Elliot.
Alot of this community doesn’t even know how far back I go in this industry. There were maybe 20 or less people extracting in cls when I got in this game. In 2005/6 running my first cls and training almost everyone in the game and developing alot of what you guys take for granted now was the bane of my existence. Back then we didn’t have it as easy as you guys have it now…I’ve been in the industry since about 2004 - and since then there’s few who survived.
The amount of experience I have and skill set in labs makes me one of the dozen or so top experts in this field. Some people don’t like that. Some people do.
If only you knew what I was responsible for bringing to the table that you sit at, you probably wouldn’t say what you’ve said.
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For the second time in this thread, Elliot is not wrong in a lot of cases, but he sure isn’t right in this one…
you have any pictures of this… any links showing this…
I mean really the first mention CLS were mid 2006 so id love to see the ones that date before Foaf’s???
Unless your Foaf??? 
I miss overgrow, b.o.g. was one of my favorites back then, rolling kief joints in his basement
I ran a bunch of b.o.g. Gear and still might have some here. Cannabis world, hg420, overgrow all had little gems.
the problem with walk throughs in these cases or spoon feeding as it was called on the hive is that
some times things go wrong.
changes in reagents that are purchased by none industry domestic sources can often
happen.
this is not a problem if you know what your doing.
it can poison and kill people if you dont.
lucky your not trying to do more complex chem and selling sops.
give a walk through to some people with lithium reagents and your handing a child
a loaded gun.
the better way or so I think is to openly share all knowllage and then openly teach all those
that seem to need it.
this way you make more break throughs and that includes everyone including the experienced
and the safety profile of the site increases.
I know of many mainstream reaction sets that big pharma have taken on and then
we got a hold of it and killed both there yields and cost of manufacture.
big pharma are silent they dont share shit.
we all share simple.
in time as these compounds get legalized around the world big pharma will push the prices out
of our ranges and try and patent any reaction or process possible making single operators
less and less common.
only through open sharing of knowllage can we prove that there so called patent was not found
by them and has been known by the community for a long time.
money now or a future.
it costs a lot to lodge a patent in the patent office.
the hive and following community have also made discoveries that could be patented but
instead left them for the world to use.
this in time allows people to give something to there children and so forth.
I thought pot smokers were hippies ?
Lots of assumptions here…
I do know what I’m doing, I do know the process, reagents, and products well, and I decided that it was safe enough to pass on. It’s WAY safer than any of the CBN techs on this site and people mostly seem to be able to perform those without incident.
Yes, lithium reducers are finicky. Yes, the HIVE came and went, then the Royal Society of Bee Keepers, and the others that followed since. Yes we get it, you’ve been in to clandestine chemistry for some time.
No, not all pot smokers are hippies, and that’s an absolutely absurd notion.
That said, I do understand and respoect your feelings towards knowledge. I have given, do give, and will give away much knowledge. Quite a lot actually. In this specific instance, I’m seeking compensation for the time I’ve spent working on the reaction and compiling a thorough, and original document.
This conversation is about the carboxylation of cannabinoids, though, and I’ll thank you to plesae stay on topic moving forward.
i dont see any passing just advertising
why off course to turn OTC CBD into $300+ USD per gram THCA
pity that.
back to discussing carboxylation of cannabiniods/phenols
have you tried sodium ethyl carbonate ?
Have you tried ethyl chloroformate
just starting on the cannabis path as my country is just opening up CBD
I will have to give it a go when the laws are locked in
I liked the idea that making sodium ethyl carbonate can be done with some methylated spirits
caustic and CO2
very safe.
and that the reaction was quite happy to be done in a cup in the microwave in under 10 minutes.
though the paper states a higher yield when done with normal heating bath rather than microwave.
as I have not looked too far into cannabis yet whats the selectivity of the carboxylation towards
the two phenolic groups.
I would say that as we are even having this conversation that it likes to choose the correct possition
naturally and doesn’t need special coordinating cats.
of course this is not a problem for THC
give me LAH reductions any day over t butyl lithium (a lithium reagent)
which I am sure could be used to make us a carboxylic acid group.
also halo acids are not fun to make and work with
I dont like buying chems I like to make them from scratch.
I have no intention of making phosgene up
I wonder how clean the reaction is with the ethyl chloroformate.
I think being our end product is an acid though that normal phase chromatography would be
a great way to purify as any halogens added to the molecule will drastically change its dielectric constant.
https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1570023211005927
this paper shows we can using pyridine (sciencemadness.org if you wish a method of making it)
and a few otc solvents we can purify our THCA (maybe also CBDA ect) on normal silica
without having to get the c18 stuff.
Well I must admit I like your wisdom already
To me this is a rabbit hole but it s nice to receive some food for thought on a platter
Thank you
Is it possible to drop a price for the carboxylating SOP or drop the SOP?
Has anyone purchased this SOP and ran it with the success perimeters mentioned?
Would rather talk shop and working SOPs then watching a pissing contest.