I’m thinking of maybe trying to mix a 5 gallon bucket on concentrate like this, I would think that this would be a more consistent mix vs using 200g per res and it not be as uniform.
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I’ve got two samples to send off the flower solution, is there any interest in getting an analysis on the veg? I’m mixing a full res today and could take a sample of that to send as well.
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Sure I’ll pay for a veg
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I’d throw down for someone like @emdub27 or Daniel Fernandez to reverse engineer the recipe.
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Daniel’s chemistry knowledge is much greater than mine. He would be the better choice to make a direct copy. I can definitely make something with the same ratios in solution and line cleaning ability(I currently have 5 year old emitters that don’t clog due to pekacid), but it may not be the exact same.
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Horseshoes and hand grenades. I think as long as the fundamentals of the formulation are good, it would work for me.
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I will gladly clone it. I just need verified targets to hit. I’ve checked 2 different facilities with it and the K numbers don’t agree with each other, nor do they agree the the analysis in this thread. Granted my laquatwin isn’t really a lab grade instrument, but it does return repeatable results.
With that data I think the bloom is not a very homogenous mixture and that @Medicine.grower wanting to predilute on stock tanks is a good idea. @Medicine.grower can you see inconsistencies in your bloom powder? One person has told me they’ve seen a couple of different iterations of bloom ,and that the first one about 2 years ago had chunks in it.
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Couldn’t that just be hygroscopic magnesium sulfate after 2 years?
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the athena line allows u to run high ec cause the cleanse immobilizes some of the nutrients its kinda silly really if u know how plants work.
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Yes, the hygroscopic nature makes it possible. But he said he bought that 2 years ago when it first came out and he has seen different consistencies since then.
Edit: I’m just trying to figure out what the data point should be and reconcile why I’m seeing different results in different tanks. I can tell you @Medicine.grower did an accurate mix because I can reconcile the “missing” K and P with the “excess” Mg almost exactly in mEq. If we can’t find consistent repeatable results I’m going to have to mix entire 25 pound bags to stock solutions and get those stock solutions analyzed to eliminate the possibility of a non homogenous bag or just send a whole bag to the lab.
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Cyco does something similar, but with sugars to make you buy more of their bottles. I’m not sure if the Cleanse is what does it though. I run 1.2-1.5 EC in Undercurrents with max air and the yield turns out just peachy.
@emdub27 Dumb question, but was Athena Balance (potassium silicate) or Stack (I’m assuming kelp), both sources of K, already mixed in the tank?
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What’s “max air” on a gauge?
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Are you seeing better results with your formula from Daniel vs. jacks?
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They were not. And I agree with you that cleanse is most likely not allowing a higher ec. I can run stuff at 5ec without burning, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
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I forget what the liters per minute were on the pumps, but it was the max Current Culture recommended.
Pff. I think it’s been 2 years since I ran them, so I’m super rusty. I just followed the charts they put out and it worked great. You have more hands on experience every day.
I bounce around depending on how lazy I want to be. Sometimes I mix my own, sometimes I use Jack’s Classic Hydro, Masterblend, or Jack’s RO.
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Love it.
Any tech you ever wanna drop to run the undercurrent better I’m all ears
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My general takeaways, at least in bloom rooms, from visiting 2 facilities where Athena facility advisors have been is this:
They run a relatively high Ca:N ratio compared to other options. This is one of the main reasons it doesn’t fry plants. Statistically it isn’t much different than any other brand that use cal nitrate as a sole N source.
It appears as if their main goal is to run a nutrient concentration and irrigation program that progressively increases the medium ec until salt stress is reached and then irrigation frequency is is increased to modulate the salt stress.
It’s a different way to do things, and the results bigger operators with facility advisors post on insta are the result of doing things this way. Not the results you would expect from running their salt with your own feed and environmental values.
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I emptied my bags into 5 gallon buckets with covers so I could keep the moisture out, this time to ensure the best mix I shook the shit out the buckets to ensure it was uniform as possible.
I did that each time with each 55g res I filled and took a sample of each, tonight I’m filling the veg and I’ll also take a sample of that to send away as well.
But I think pre diluting each whole bag would be the most accurate. But this should be close. Especially with 3 test coming from the same bags. I know it’s not old stock because they just recently started selling it up here.
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I know most of you all use the powder version. But any good ideas on disposal of these? I throw so many away. Other then used oil. Seem pretty useless.
People at the dump always looking through our stuff.
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Get the pro line and save some money at the same time. No water weight bs.
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