3/8" or 1/2" if you can afford it.
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3/8, maybe larger
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when i rack mount my extractor this yearā¦im plumbing the whole thing with 1.5" tri clamp tubing. No lines at all.
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there are benefits in recovering slower.
ablity to pull moisture
chilling tane better
less crap gets pulled out of you wax trap
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So help me optimize my setup. Currently a 12x12 collection pot. Running 1/4 lines. Recovering take me hours and hours s painful. I put the recovery on dry ice already.
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how much tane are you tried to recover
what temp is your hot water bath
are you using coils and dry ice slurry gor your tank
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well that can be the beginning of your problem right thereā¦You recovery tank needs to be submerged in coldā¦if not the head space is where your vapor pressure will build inhibiting your recovery.
Next 1/4" is too small for a 12x12. Thats 5lbs i assume? You need bigger valves and fittings.
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A haskel is definitely faster than a cmep. Or three. But you need a butt load of pressure to drive em. Either a massive air compressor or c02
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No coils. Hot water about 120 fresh out the sink.
thats why i was asking, price point is the same but with haskel you ne a 1500 or 2000 compressor.
how about longevity of haskel
The entire tank is frosted to about -50 when I put the recovery tank on dry ice. Thatās not enough?
Do I need bigger valves and fittings everywhere or just where recovery is concerned?
Question, does the tank need to be standing when recovering or can I have it laying on its side in the dry ice cooler?
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Standing would be best, if you are running passive recovery, connect with your liquid line. If you canāt get the tank fully covered. Just top off with dry ice every once in a while. But keep the bottom in a slurry as thatās where you want it to be the coldest
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Did you ever end up doing this? Ive been toying with hard plumbing my system as wellā¦
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I really havenāt decided if I want to go 1.5ā or just run 1/2ā and see what the speeds are. Iāve been toying with the idea of selling all my personal extractors to upgrade and do some testing but Iāve been just sooo busy lately.
My business has become a bit overwhelming. Iām not complaining as itās a good thing when people support what Iām doin. It just hasnāt given me anytime for testing lately nor prototyping.
Iāve really considered hiring someone so I can focus on other tasks then grunt work.
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I might go 2"ā¦ it will get expensive with all the valves, clamps and gasketsā¦ but it will significantly cut down on my hoses. I run racks so I have 8 hoses per lid to undoā¦ like 5 times a day. if I could take it off all in one piece that would help a lot
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@StoneD sous vide was a Game changer and back saver. They are so efficient and easy to use. I was surprised at how much more effective the sous vide is over switching out buckets of hot water.
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Best addition ever!
Worth itās weight in GOLDā¦
I canāt imagine having to literally baby sit every second anymore, unless topping off dry ice thatās it, valve here, valve thereā¦
Maybe one day I can get jacket collection and have it all plumbed up
Badass man!
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I think some of you are looking at this the wrong way.
Being active or passive should not dictate the recovery speed.
The active or passive decision is more about how you prefer to handle the overall system logistics than overall recovery speed.
As long as your pump and condenser (for active) or just plain condenser (for passive) are sufficiently sized and powered for the application, recovery speed will always be dictated by vapor generation in the collection pot (or tube-in-shell) more than any other factor.
I get it that some people out there think one way is better than the other and they are free to express that opinion but I donāt really see any logic presented besides āwhy not go passive, its fasterā or āpumps suckā. Humans are inherently tribalistic so I completely understand why this happens and I am guilty of it sometimes myself.
If a system switches from active to passive or vice versa but keeps the collection pot and heater the same and the result is the system recovers faster that just means there was an inefficiency somewhere with the pump/condenser (active) or condenser (passive) before the switch was made.
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you raise some good points. I think the main discussion of passive/active on here is that when passive is done right you can recover the same speed as your pump can, if not faster. There are far less moving parts to worry about failing or servicing, and a passive system can be upgraded easier than an active system (in the event you need to add additional pumps and lines for expansion). I donāt think the discussion is focusing too much on recovery speed, rather the fact that you can recover at the same if not better efficiency without all the additional expensive pumps.
Many of us on here are doing this on a budget, or in a commercial scenario where operational costs are very important, so we tend to seek out the cheapest most effective way possible without sacrificing any quality in the process.
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Passive is faster than active. I havenāt met a pump that has can keep up with me on my system. And any system that I can change. My dude that I know can recover nearly 3lb a min passive. I havenāt heard or seen anything like that from a pump.
To have the driving force to keep up is insane, if wanted to spend that much money.
It absolutely is an āup to the extractorā thing a lot of the time. Especially in the beginning years. But I have ran several pumps. Iām about to use one this upcoming week. And one that Iāve never used before. Iāll show then that bypassing it, weāll recover faster.
Itās totally an opinion that pumps can keep or go faster, but itās a wrong one. Science is pretty cool, it doesnāt care what anyone thinks. If itās right itās right.
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