I was actually gonna talk about how gummys kinda get a pass but I didn’t want to start another world War
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Gotta love the utter dissolution of the English language, lol.
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Honestly after going through all this I think what it really comes down to is the difference between a drug and a dietary supplement
As stated above, dietary supplements don’t have anything that could be considered dangerous when taken as the label says where as drugs do
Think about all the side effects on the commercials for drugs, they all have something bad that can happen just from taking them
Cbd has been proven through years of human consumption to be GRAS, this is why they descheduled it
There’s 2 way I think d8 can be handled
1 is scheduling (I don’t think this will happen as it won’t qualify as a schedule 1 or 2 which means the AA wouldn’t apply and that’ll piss the DEA off)
2 they start regulating d8 as a food additive because of bad manufacturering processes
As a dietary supplement the FDA has the ability to intervene if they get reports of bad supplements, I could see this happening or them trying to schedule it
When im short with my reply it’s usually because I’m driving 
Yea I know im bad
That wasn’t about your reply, that was a meta statement.
Food is food unless there’s added vitamins, then it’s a dietary supplement. It is what it is, and it ain’t what it ain’t.
“The world is whatever you say it is if you know how to say it.”
-Terrence McKenna
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I’ll join the fun on this one cause it’s something I’ve spent a lot of my ‘adult’ life either researching or writing about.
I’m sure you know about the lock and key metaphor defining agonism. Without dumbing it down, a ‘full agonist’ would be the perfect key to the lock, so to speak. While this seems simple in theory, the force interactions that govern receptor binding in vivo are so exceedingly complex that computational models governing novel drug development usually result in wasted time. From personal experience, GSK and other pharma companies would send us dozens of compounds with calculated affinities in vitro, and most wouldn’t work in vivo. Essentially what I’m getting at is that the idea of a ‘full agonist’ infers that we have a full understanding of neuroscience, which in my opinion we know almost nothing about. Hell, Hameroff and Penrose would tell you that quantum tunneling pathways in your microtubules are vital for this, but we as a species are limited to even testing if this is possible at the moment.
Anyways, an agonist IS an agonist is an agonist…unless it isn’t. Agonism can be the cause of legality issues, but again, it’s not as simple as that. The Federal Analogue Act wiki sums this up elegantly with 2 cases–in 1 (Forbes), structure and behavior dictated that the ‘novel compound’ didn’t meet the qualifications for scheduling. In the other (Washam), the compound did, due to structure and behavior.
“unless it isn’t” = Forbes = behavioral effects not substantially similar = unconstitutionally vague to schedule = government says fuck you and schedules it anyways
“is an agonist” = Washam = the compounds are structurally similar AND do similar things in the body because “there is only one difference between the substanes on one side of their molecules” = scheduled, but interestingly, only in the circuit that upheld this ruling.
From the above, delta 8 to me has clear and honestly obvious precedent to get hit by the Analogue Act. HOWEVER, unless arbitrated at the national level, each independent circuit would need to issue their own (probably different) legislation, which would create even more of a clusterfuck for national interpretation. Maybe that’s why the firm I’m working with is suing the DEA itself, not the state of California/etc, over this…
To sum up, neuroscience is hard, information is powerful, spreading misinformation creates nonsense, not answers, and as I’ve gotten older, I say less about things I don’t understand as well as others.
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Ahhhh finally someone to have a real debate with!
Thank you for joining the party!!!
I’d like to point out ONE thing in the analogue act I’m not sure you’re aware of
In order for the AA to be used the drug would have to be scheduled under the CSA
Hemp is excluded from the CSA, there for the AA couldn’t be applied
I’ll find the court case
The Court ruled since the AA is part of the CSA the AA gets its power from the CSA so the drug would need to be able to be scheduled, and since its not and couldn’t be when derived from hemp I don’t think the AA is usable
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Please read this and tell me what you think!!!
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Do gummies count as candy? and if so, doesn’t it depend on which state you are in as to whether candy is counted as food?
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I don’t know anything anymore, lol.
Natural flavors are Natural flavors even if they’re made synthetically.
Gummies are food unless they’re not.
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I see a lot of back and fourth… to stick with the title of this thread… who in here is a lawyer and whats your take?
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That was buried by arguments basically I talked to a hemp lawyer in Las Vegas collen and collen I believe and they advised me that d8 is illegal in nevada and he expects a dea crackdown once they can find a way to prove it’s made Synthetically.
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That’s what I’m saying!
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So we can sell it, right guys??
Paintballs are made from food grade materials lol
Almost a gummy recipe.
Random
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Presence of Olivetol and a high concentration of P-cymene. Abnormal CBD and THC is also a great indicator.
Very simple to determine if synthetic. We’ve submitted this information with our test results for various D8 products to the DEA.
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Interesting did the dea ask you for this information or did you simply want to help?
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Well that’s extremely interesting, perhaps some accountability can be had in this space finally.
Buckle up buckaroos!
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DEA and accountability is the biggest laugh.
Should see the parties they throw.
lol I don’t expect any of the alphabet boys to be accountable.
However some regulation does entice people to be more on their toes.
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