A lawyers take on delta 8

Pharmaceutical = synthetic
Neutraceutical = naturally derived

There’s a reason you can’t patent the d8 molecule yet someone has patented the d8 thc v molecule (ones naturally occuring one isn’t)

Before hemp there was MJ and synthetic MJ

One comes from the plant the other doesn’t

But they cannot regulate naturally occurring THC not contained within or derived from MJ ( IE hemp)

Why does this say contained within or derived from?

Because it’s excluding not only the legal .3% thc from hemp but also any derivative that falls in the definition of hemp

So tell me, how does the DEA control a drug it hasn’t scheduled when the lower courts have ruled they have no jurisdiction over unscheduled drugs?

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Whatever it’s legal enough for me lol, obviously some nerd lawyers are gonna advise against it.

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Nutraceutical isn’t a legal concept. The word didn’t exist until the late 80’s. Its a marketing buzzword.

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Don’t waste your fingers dude. KotKs whole schtick is “”“appearing”“” knowledgeable to folks who don’t know any better and engaging with him only facilitates that image that he’s somehow on the same level as many of the smart folks around here.

Besides if he gets in too deep of an intellectual hole, I’m sure he’s got some screenshots of DMs and Texts he can dig up to make his point.

:joy::joy:

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Look! The emperor has no clothes!

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This is so false it makes my head hurt.

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Ya those damn nerd lawyers what do they know anyways…

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No its not, you’re one word response shows you don’t actually know shit about pharmaceuticals or neutraceuticals or how to schedule drugs

Funny I actually provide evidence and your best argument is " I use to be in pharma I know better"

Sorry buddy shit don’t fly with us who know better

Hey notice once you start putting a neutraceutical in food the fda starts regulate it?!

Hey isn’t this how CBD is?

God dam youre dumb for being an engineer dude

Edit: deleted because I didn’t say anything helpful or positive

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Also the FDA regulates food products AND nutraceuticals

One is 21CFR110 and one is 21CFR111

You really pickin the wrong person to go toe to toe with on pharmaceuticals. Have you ever even stepped foot in a GMP pharmaceutical facility?

Or does every lab you work in look like shit as seen on your Instagram?

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Maybe it could be sold as a hemp plastic since they be using catalyst for polymer production :joy:

Just a reminder this isn’t in the echo chamber. The gloves can only come off in there.

Let’s keep insults to the echo chamber

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It’s pretty simple

Melatonin (just like cbd) isnt considered a drug or food additive (once it becomes a food additive you’ll need gmp and can have FDA regulation)

It also doesn’t have anything that could be potentially dangerous in it

Because supplements aren’t considered drugs, they aren’t put through the same strict safety and effectiveness requirements that drugs are. So all the drugs you can buy, even without a prescription, must be proven safe and effective – but dietary supplements do not.

In general, the FDA considers new drugs to be unsafe until they are proven safe through clinical trials. And the FDA must approve any new drug before it can be legally sold in the US. Clinical trials are studies done under well-controlled conditions on human volunteers. These tests must be done on all drugs – even those that are sold over the counter (without a prescription). The FDA approval process requires that the drug be proven in a series of clinical trials. These studies must show “substantial evidence” that the drug is both safe and effective for each of its intended uses. This is why we can’t make claims to cbds effectiveness towards ailments.

In 1994, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) defined dietary supplements as a category of food, which put them under different regulations than drugs. They are considered safe until proven otherwise. The DSHEA says that dietary supplements cannot contain anything that may have “a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury” when the supplement is used as directed on the label, or with normal use if there are no directions on the label.

A dietary supplement is considered “new” if it contains an ingredient not recognized as a food substance, unless it was sold as a supplement before October 1994. If it is new, the manufacturer must provide the FDA with reasonable evidence that the new ingredient is safe before the supplement is marketed to the public.

But manufacturers are not required to test new ingredients or supplements in clinical trials, which would help find risks and potential interactions with drugs or other substances. The DSHEA gives the FDA permission to stop a company from making a dietary supplement, but only when the FDA proves that the product poses a significant risk to the health of Americans. This means they are found unsafe only after they cause harm. This is the reverse of the way prescription and non-prescription drugs are handled.

Dietary supplements are usually self-prescribed, so there’s no controlled system for reporting bad reactions and side effects. Doctors and patients can report problems, but are not required to do so. If a supplement has unknown side effects or interactions with other drugs, foods, or supplements, they are not likely to be discovered as quickly as those of new drugs on the market.

Cbd and any hemp derived cannabinoid which falls under the definition of hemp is treated as a dietary supplement until put in food which is why we can’t make claims without clinicals.

CBD isn’t even considered a drug and neither is d8 because it’s not scheduled.

Remember hemp derived doesn’t mean synthetic

Definition of nutraceutical:

nu·tra·ceu·ti·cal

/ˌn(y)o͞otrəˈso͞odik(ə)l/

noun

  1. a food containing health-giving additives and having medicinal benefit.

(So it’s a food, which last time I checked the F in FDA is Food.)

Definition of pharmaceutical:

phar·ma·ceu·ti·cal

/ˌfärməˈso͞odək(ə)l/

noun

  1. a compound manufactured for use as a medicinal drug.

“pharmaceuticals and cosmetics”

Just sayin’

Yet who regulates hemp?

It isn’t the FDA last time I checked

The FDA doesnt get involved till you start adding it to food then you gotta do the gmp thing

Right, so, your gummies are food, right? Doesn’t that mean the FDA should regulate them?

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wrong, they are medicine

joking!

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My bad, I’m recusing myself from this convo to avoid the EC chamber because I won’t be able to not call it like I see it.

Thanks for keeping me on the right track.

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All I’d need to do is use a capsule and the whole food additive is avoided

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

It seems like gummies are in this sort of super weird grey area. It’s like, you have to report to the FDA but they don’t technically “regulate” the manufacture of them.

I guess this is why you take these down the road to get a GMP cert?

Who is responsible for the safety of dietary supplements?

FDA is not authorized to review dietary supplement products for safety and effectiveness before they are marketed.

The manufacturers and distributors of dietary supplements are responsible for making sure their products are safe BEFORE they go to market.

If the dietary supplement contains a NEW ingredient, manufacturers must notify FDA about that ingredient prior to marketing. However, the notification will only be reviewed by FDA (not approved) and only for safety, not effectiveness.

Manufacturers are required to produce dietary supplements in a quality manner and ensure that they do not contain contaminants or impurities, and are accurately labeled according to current Good Manufacturing Practice (cGMP) and labeling regulations.

If a serious problem associated with a dietary supplement occurs, manufacturers must report it to FDA as an adverse event. FDA can take dietary supplements off the market if they are found to be unsafe or if the claims on the products are false and misleading.

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