2023 Farm Bill, predictions & insights

In my mind, schedule 3 equals pay to play with big pharma. It’s the US government, naive to think it would do anything in the people’s favor. This plant has been unjustly illegal for a century and now we’ll have to fight for scraps left over by big pharma. I work for a very small manufacture that does rigorous testing and has the highest quality hemp products in the state in which we reside, yet I’m sure the costs associated with rescheduling and becoming GMP or whatever else they’ll want is going to put the business out. I bet the cost to obtain a license to use the schedule 3 substance will be astronomical. The market will be consolidated by pharma.

Out of the dozens of business owners I’ve asked this question I have not had one tell me they are in favor of schedule 3. Maybe you can tell me a good response as to why this will be a positive.

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basically what he said below in addition to there being restrictions on your background that could effect who can play and who cant.

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Interesting take on things.

I don’t think pharma is interested in spending billions of dollars to get the FDA to approve cannabis. Maybe, but I doubt it, not when the patent is already held by the government (no really!) and there’s so much other stuff that patenting it (which is what gives them market exclusivity) isn’t really going to work.

So basically generic manufacturers - of course, they are big as well.

But that supposes that rescheduling actually happens. And that with rescheduling there is a negative change in enforcement patterns.

Pharma could ALREADY be doing these things (they are not). And Pharma isn’t actually pay to play - anyone can do it (fuck small companies, big companies, international companies, family companies, are already involved in FDA approved supply chains…)

Why do you think this would impact your HEMP company? Hemp derived stuff is already illegal under the FDA (they have been VERY specific) and rescheduling d9THC doesn’t change that hemp derived stuff is already descheduled (since 2018). So unless you think that rescheduling d9THC will somehow impact the enforcement patterns of the FDA (since they are very limited enforcement of the existing rules right now…) to your already descheduled Hemp products…

And also - if you already have rigorous testing and high quality stuff, what makes you think you don’t already meet the GMPs? Under the FDA there is no “certification” or other bullshit. Its establishment license - which is just $5,672 per year. Much less than most cannabis license costs, potentially more than your hemp license. And then an inspection - basic GMP requirements for training, cleaning, documentation, and testing. And when I say basic, what I mean is, normal business practices for most people, so if your company is a cut above you will probably be fine.

But even then - the FDA has already said NO to hemp derived food, drugs, and cosmetics. So I wouldn’t expect you to actually go and get that. So unless rescheduling weed leads to a change in enforcement against state licensed groups and hemp operators (seems pretty wild to me, but one never knows!) I don’t know why we would expect anything to change.

What would really change things - would be if the FDA says that hemp derived stuff is allowed in food and dietary supplements and cosmetics (you can put it into drugs, but you have to do your clinical trials and your NDA first, which costs $$$$$). Then you might see bigger players come into the space. But that’s not what rescheduling is about. -shrug-

Here are the things I think will be positive about rescheduling.

  • Just generally historical to remove something from Schedule 1, that I have advocated for since 1997
  • Immediately removes the 280E taxation burden for all licensed state operators, and potentially unlicensed ones too.
  • Pushes the ball back into the FDA’s court for everything else I mentioned above. Right now they are saying no to hemp derived stuff because Scheduling, unsafe, not GRAS, etc. With rescheduling research becomes much simpler, which means you can potentially get to a “cannabis is food not drugs” place. Although I personally think it needs its own category of botanical drug. -shrug-
  • Removes the stigma for cannabis being enemy #1 on the CSA
  • Potentially allows Harm Reduction programs and opiate recovery programs to start using cannabis to treat opiate addiction and recovery (currently not allowed for federally funded programs)
  • Unleashes researchers across the country (since they no longer have to be CSA Schedule 1 licensed facilities) to do all the work that other countries have been doing
  • Allows other government agencies (like USDA, SBA, NIST, NIH, etc.) to start actively funding and participating in companies and research groups working with this drug (currently not allowed due to schedule 1 status)

I could probably add more to the list. Any one of those would probably have been enough to tip the scales in my opinion - but there are really so many more positives!

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All I’m going to say until I have more time to respond is that I’m assuming Hemp Derived things would also move up to schedule three including CBD, at the behest of FDA pointing the finger at Congress. A political win win for those in power. I’ve suspected a bait and switch for a long time. I’ve also come to the realization that pharma has no interest in cannabis other than making sure the people can’t have it. The more regulations put forth on a harmless plant, the more money it’s going to take to make changes playing by the rules. We will be priced out through indirect influence. On the other hand pharma can bribe whomever they need to in order to ensure regulations are in their favor even if moved to schedule three. Hemp will need FDA approval while currently there is no enforcement which will be a downside to us hemp producers. I should not need anyone’s approval to sell a 10mg gummy when they arrested us for a century. I’m not going to defer to more government control when they have a track record of shitting the bed on this exact issue for the last hundred years. The playbook was literally to lie, arrest people, and make money from it. The industry standard has been to protect those in power from the dangers cannabis and hemp presented to it. I just don’t buy that any of it is in good faith after I’ve seen my brothers and sisters put in a cage. Of course this is all just a theory. I’m hoping the sensible thing happens and all naturally occuring cannabinoids, including THCA are unscheduled and all the other HHC, THCO, THCP are moved to schedule three. Basically let’s just trade delta 9 for all the stuff no one wants in the market. That would achieve balance and safety. I could see from that point of decriminalization that local governments decide exactly how they want to regulate producers and growers because the best thing for the market will vary state to state. For example, in my not legal state the barrier for entry should be very low such that it represents the true spirit or regulation. For other states, such as Illinois where a license cost you a million dollars maybe there needs to be a transition period or those who paid the million will be mad Joe Schmoe down the street is selling it now. This is a very delicate issue to say the least, but honestly I yearn for the day mid grade THCA Flower is sold at your local Walgreens just like Jack Daniels is sold in their liquor department. To get the real good shit, Johny Walker blue you’ll need to go to a specific store and pay a premium. There’s a place for all of this. Point being, cannabis should be widely available. It’s time. The market can handle it, too, if we do this correctly. Personally I think under the farm bill is the best way to do that. Hopefully someday people will wonder why we called these beautiful hemp flowers “weed.”

As for your positives:

1.) I agree
2.) We both know they’ll replace that tax obligation under any rescheduling legislation
3.) We really don’t need any more FDA research to prove cannabis is safe. Manufactures are more likely to harm someone from an expired brownie than the THC in it.
4.) I don’t think the government is capable of removing stigma. 70% already agree that want this legal. We already are there and we fought the battle tooth and nail with the power of community, not a decree.
5.) That would be great, but why can’t we just funnel those to local programs? Why send $$$ out of state for the government to then allocate it and send it back to help those you know locally in need of such a thing? Colorado proved this off the get go - keeping the money in the state has huge benefits.
6-7.) Sure, I like more research and harm reduction. But ultimately again this could be funneled through state universities or some other alternative.

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I predict the farm bill will be in favor of those that dont mind beauracracy . Eventually we become the very thing we were trying to overgrow. I myself am guilty of this. Just gotta keep rolling with the political punches. Farm whats practical within the point of diminishing return of your budget . Diversify. The Gates foundation owns the farming community now. Rockefellars fixed the prices of commodities created a scarcity to monopolize then pushed for prohibition to prevent fair competition. It is alot like timber farming clear cuts . We killed most of the good trees , people then dug a hole and called it a mine . Yay green diamond , sierra pacific. Its global soon to be interplanetary .So much money(control) is formed from so many angles . Should not have started the cycle that we have to maintain within a dependent system thats too cost prohibitive to start over . Even the reptillian elites are fuct by design. This isnt capitalism. Just another failed babylonian experiment. They already beat us . Turned us into the equivalent of defense contractors.
There’s a reason ancient culture lived so modestly and that was to thrive within the natural beauty. Yes our ancestors farmed , mined, manufactured, within reason. Not 4 to 12,000 years ago . Think prior to 28,000bc , disregard the historical propaganda. Maybe quit working for the money and work for the love . When quality improves , so does demand thus return of investment. Delegate the rat race to the rats . Fuck the farm bill and just farm.

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We all need to pay very close attention as to why we depend on the farm bill . Its a trap .

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Doubtful, but lol I’ll take a federal licensing barrier to entry over 280E all day.

The potential outcome that I think is quite likely that’d benefit pharma would be Schedule II IMO - which is fairly likely as per the decision tree the DEA outlined back in 2016 in their argument not to reschedule cannabis.

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Major players such as yourself may still have a sporting chance at least on a metric/rec level. Like the other 99.9% of any farm bill , rescheduling will obviously make it a traded commodity. Unfortunatley its regulation will always be an amalgamation of alcohol vs tobacco rules. Once an fda approved gmo hybrid for human consumption is created and produced by one of syngentas shells. It could be eventually be purchased with wic/snap , slavestamps . Medicaid/cal would be able to cover the drugs made from the scheduled chemo and cultivars . I personally dont like where any of this is going. Cannabis is or was one of the last crops thats not heavily sibsidized . A sovereign system operating alongside the current is possible. 1st ammendment stuff. How much of your investments have gone to taxes and permits supporting the opposition…

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Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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If prosecutors wont prosecute you it kinda changes the picture a bit regardless of the regulations. Thats one thing that rescheduling could do, make more prosecutors not willing to go after weed if it doesnt involve children or guns…

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simultaneously the price of flower drops , dont worry im sure they will “o.p.e.c” the hell out of it to float retail mids and stale hotdog water sales

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“A coalition of 22 state attorneys general is calling on Congress to address “the glaring vagueness” that has led to legal cannabis products being sold over the counter across the country…”

https://thehill.com/homenews/4564181-2018-farm-bill-hemp-cannabis-attorneys-general/

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The key word here is LEGAL.

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Good catch. Which is why I don’t get the hate. The war has been won in terms of legalization, now they are trying to change it.

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Tell that to the over 100,000 people who have been imprisoned for this amazing plant since this “war has been won”.

The war isn’t over. Prohibitionists are still there - desperately trying to make sure that you do not have access to the plant.

Why don’t you get the hate? I mean - the laws are unfair, inconsistent, and people are still losing their kids, their jobs, and their freedom because of the plant.

Just because some people are making money right now with industrial hemp that is high in THC in edibles (which has been illegal since the beginning as the FDA regulates what can be in food…and cannabis derived anything is not allow). But people only want to focus on where the statute loopholes are.

Instead of lobbying to get everyone free. Instead of lobbying to make the rules fair across all states. Instead of lobbying to make sure that no one loses their kids, their job, or their freedom over this.

That’s where the frustration comes from. Because there is still so much work to be done and folks be like “war has been won”. The fuck you talking about? A battle maybe - a tiny skirmish - but the war goes on.

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The very first statement on that article says it all:

" In 2018, Republicans accidentally legalized cannabis. Now 22 AGs want them to undo it"

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You are so very concerned with the FDA in your posts. What I’m saying is that less people have been incarcerated than would have been otherwise if these laws were not passed. Why would we want to undo this? Why are people hating on legal cannabis? Forget the FDA. Embrace legal cannabis. Mass adoption of the market and civil disobedience (ignoring whatever FDA argument you are making etc) is better than running this through the government who only want to fuck us. “The government has unjust laws about these plants - let’s get the government to regulate these plants!”

I respect you a lot all that being said and thanks for your service in this war.

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Some news!

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